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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Sub Team Members,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Please see below the action items and discussion notes captured by staff from the meeting on 15 June. <i>These high-level notes are designed to help Work Track Sub Team members navigate through the content of the call and are not a substitute for the chat room or the recording.</i> See the chat room and recording on the meetings pages at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/Work+Track+2+Meetings">https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/Work+Track+2+Meetings</a>. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Please also see the attached slides, documents, and the excerpts from the chat room below.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Julie</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Julie Hedlund, Policy Director</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Action Items/Discussion Notes 15 June</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Action Items:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1. Topics for Johannesburg: Staff will pull out the top 4 topics from the chat room and send them to the list so others can comment. Topics that were suggested were: vertical integration (2), closed generics (2), registrant protections (1), registry/registrar standardization (1).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2. There seem to be clarifying question for Compliance but not sure if those have been formulated. We might need help on how to formulate those questions. Michael Flemming will help to formulate them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1. Topics for ICANN59 Johannesburg<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- We are tasked with having 2 topics at ICANN59. I think we have 45 minutes for discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Suggested topics from the chat room:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: vertical integration<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Registrant Protections <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gg Levine (NABP): Registry/registrar standardization<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): Vertical integration; and closed generics<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul McGrady 2: Closed generics<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- I don't think it is reasonable that we would have a helpful discussion in 45 minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- The question that we've already discussed is whether there would be one registry agreement or multiple registry agreements. This would be a chance to enage further on the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- I think applicant terms and conditions falls into the same category that we wouldn't have time to get into the topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Suggest that you have us type our number 1 topic into the chat and ask staff to do a quick count.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: can you remind me what registrant protections covers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul McGrady: +1 Kristina. We won't even get it introduced in that timeframe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Steve Chan: @susan, in brief, things like EBERO, COI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Phil Buckingham: kristina, what topic would u like to do one perhaps we could get concensus on at jo burg ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): I get it. But I don't think we can have a meaningful discussion of whether we should have different base agreements until everyone has read and understood the existing RA. And we'll use the entire 22 minutes just getting through the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: ah yes, thanks Steve, I was having a mental block<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2. Vertical Integration<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Slide 2 -- Introduction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Not starting from scratch. We are returning to this. Our goal is to work on modifications that allow the realization of the benefits of vertical integration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Slide 6 -- Recap of last call on vertical integration<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Origins of VI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Status quo in 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Potential concerns and benefits of VI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Journey to the current state<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Registry code of conduct and exceptions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Slide 7 -- Continuing the VI discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- received some data back from compliance based on questions [see the slide]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Responses from Compliance (see the attached document)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>[reading from the document]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- If we are going to have any further discussion of the topic we need to go back to Compliance with follow-up questions. Such as 1b -- were there 1000 complaints against registry operators? Were there 100 complaints -- we need to know what percent were covered by those complaints. If we are going to act on it we need complete data.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- 1b -- said they processed less than ten complaints. The metrics page shows about 110 in regards to code of conduct. We are still waiting on data on how many registries are integrated. A more detailed response would very much help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- A little trouble interpreting the results, perhaps lack of familiarity. Talked to Compliance staff. The number of code of conduct complaints is a relatively high number, but the issue for the complaint is less than 10. Complaints that are specific to vertical integration are less then 10 and all have been ameliorated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Can't get names of registry operators subject to the complaints, but can get numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- The reason we are looking at 2017 data is that is the most recent audit but also when you had the most registries contracted with ICANN. Whether or not complaints are driven by just one registry I think there is room for us to develop possible concerns on vertical integration if there is evidence of those concerns. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- The data we are getting back from contractual compliance is how we need to move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): The Affiliate definition is in Section 2.9(c) of the Registry Agreement. Phil's summary of it was correct, but incomplete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: is it just me or are the answers to 1a and b rather vague and open to interpretation? has anyone actually be found to be in breach<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): indeed Kristina <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: yes agree Kristina<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): @Susan: Not that I'm aware of, but Compliance should be asked that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Steve Chan: @Susan, Kristina, no, breaches.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): I think that there may be more data that we could ask for that Compliance can provide: how many registry operators are vertically integrated; of that number, how many are within the same corporate family; how many complaints were there against ROs (overall - regardless of whether due to vertical integration); of the complaints referenced in the 1.b answer, how many ROs were those complaints against<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Steve Chan: The less than 10 complaints I believe is for all time, not just a period of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): @Steve: Really? That's 10 in 4 years. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Steve Chan: Happy to confirm Kistina, but that's my understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: I think it would also be helpful to know how many registries if any have required to conduct remediation in some way. I think "no breaches" means no formal breach notice but there may have been action require<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): @Steve: And, to be clear, I'm not doubting the answer, I'm pleasantly surprised<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Steve Chan: @Susan, I believe the answer is less than 10 complaints where remediation was required.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Steve Chan: Of course, if we have follow up questions for Contractual Compliance, staff is happy to ask on the WT's behalf.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: @Steve, yes I assume so. but it could actually be zero, which would be quite informative<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3. CC2 Comments for WT2 Topics</span></i><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> -- see document at: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tcWZt1bdoYH7vJl2Yi9G0jah7QzyhqU99tXnl3qV0rc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tcWZt1bdoYH7vJl2Yi9G0jah7QzyhqU99tXnl3qV0rc/edit?usp=sharing</a> and attached PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- It is really important that we discuss these comments but we need to take the responsibility to read them. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-- Shouldn't specifically be singling out one comment and having a detailed debate about it. We need to read all of the comments and then have a conversation about issues raised as a whole.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): Can we agree that we'll each read the CC2 comments so we don't need to have Phil (or Michael) read them out?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jeff Neuman: Is the question you are asking whether all TLDs should be able to have 1 -3 registrars<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jeff Neuman: As a PDP Working Group, we do have to respond to all the comments as to how we considered them. But we do not need to read all of the comments aloud.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne: you might also want to switch registrar, so for the period you switch you would have to have two. limiting just to one would be very restrictive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Rubens Kuhl: It also comes down to bargaining power in the contract: having more than one gives a brand more negotiating power in the table. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): I respectfully disagree with Phil. I'd like to see us use the 45 minutes in Joburg to work through the comments rather than hone in on one point made by one Commenter on one subpart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jeff Neuman: Lets see if we can group the issues into categories of types of comments<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): agree Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kiran Malancharuvil: Agree with grouping the issues into categories and represnting various groups of views for discussion. Much easier</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>