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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email. The AC recording and AC Chat are listed below for the New gTLD Subsequent
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Adobe Connect chat transcript </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">for 27 July 2017<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 2 – Legal/Regulatory Issues on Thursday, 27 July 2017 at 21:00 UTC
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_knHwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=5ZaANZzlquvwydyt72kQxR0ciBmR-TZ_jxFZj6iaNcE&s=GyEUF5q0p7_EMI2TH6UyL5Wk_FxGmkvSssUc89ytfPs&e">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Sara Bockey:Loud and clear for both of you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):other than the hour for you <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:hello all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Guys, lets get started<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:IPC call just ended. So others should be joining<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Can we find out who the phone numbers belong to for the attendance record?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:who is ending in 5020?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Liz Brodzinski:5226 is me<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:thank you Liz <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:Hi Julie I am ending in 5020<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:thank you, Paul :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Rather than use the word "exemptions" I would say "flexibility"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Paul - Any examples of TLDs with different business models today that should have a different agreeement<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:So applicants can apply for eageneric term base gTLD, then keep it "closed" and (instead of allow registrations to happen) "lease" domains - without providing ANY protections to the "leasee"? Cause that what will
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:.... a generic term based ....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:@Paul - You make an assumption that the fees will be that high....decision has not been made yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:Will still need an "other" option to open, closed, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:@Jeff - I'm making the high fees assumption because I've seen ICANN's financial statements... They need the $.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:@Paul - lol<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:But there can be many more models out there. Prior to the FIrst Round opening, I could have NEVER anticiapted the .sucks business model, but yet, here it is.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:.book owned by Amazon and then SLDs "leased" to authors would mean the "users" of the domains are completely unprotected!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Emily Barabas:documents are ready, Phil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Emily Barabas:the document is unsynced<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Susan Payne:Alexander I don't think it's reasonable to raise hypotheticals using real examples of registry operators without making that absolutely clear. People may believe you are referring to an actual intended business model
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:(Sorry to Amazon for using that hypothetical example)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Emily Barabas:The matrix currently displayed in the AC room is also available as a Google Doc:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1x74w58a9UaTTVulCMmrI45iTiHao6Hf1s8eVeeh5-2DN0_edit-23gid-3D0&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=5ZaANZzlquvwydyt72kQxR0ciBmR-TZ_jxFZj6iaNcE&s=yrVcEdaZmrBK9GQCTQrowxoZnjI2fK4PHbUwTlMeg1c&e">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Geographic names on the Top Level will not be discussed*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:We have the Second Level and everything else on the Top Level.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Susan Payne:are others having difficulty hearing Phil or is it just me?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:That issue is being discussed in WT4<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:(Single character IDNs)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):beat me to it Jeff :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:We are on the Top Level right now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Correct, we can decide from a policy perspective to allow a two character letter/number or number/letter combination<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:two numbers may be an issue technically as confusing with an ip address<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:I think ALL two letter combinations should be protected - the Internet user gets otherwise consfused why some two letter combinations are cc and some gTLD! "aa" for example can never be assigned to a nation - should
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:@Phil - There are certain compromises that need to be made<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:HP can still get HPE<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:which is how they refer to themselves<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and what if the ISO list does allocate Hp?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:I strongly believe we should honor the one recommendation from the CCWG-UCTN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:I think the ccNSO will try to kill us all if a start grabbing the two letter namespace.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agreed Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Susan Payne:quite Alexander!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yep indeed <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:Volkswagen!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:vw<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):for the record My personal opinion is almost the opposite Phil, letters and numbers combination 2 characters excepted of course as Jeff is articulating now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:My personal opinion: Alcoholics Anonymous, American Airlines = AA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:We have a lot of overlaps already, but the two letter reservation is a recommendation that has been in place for a long time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):correct as far as I know Jeff I am also not of course a technical expert<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:I cant lower my hand :(<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Its lowered<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:I think this is in our matrix<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:already<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Can anybody hear me?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Did anybody hear me?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:no, i did not hear your, Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Susan Payne:Michael,no I dont think so<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:rebooting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:not sure what you are referring to Phil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:+1<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:for attendance purposes, who has phone number ending in 9458?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Emily Barabas:The full list of CC2 comments on reserved names can be found here:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1tcWZt1bdoYH7vJl2Yi9G0jah7QzyhqU99tXnl3qV0rc_edit-23gid-3D1800862598&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=5ZaANZzlquvwydyt72kQxR0ciBmR-TZ_jxFZj6iaNcE&s=w-KNE0qHxBzLl5_bvs5e1kT9pzXsQgMX50JBlreERJE&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1tcWZt1bdoYH7vJl2Yi9G0jah7QzyhqU99tXnl3qV0rc_edit-23gid-3D1800862598&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=5ZaANZzlquvwydyt72kQxR0ciBmR-TZ_jxFZj6iaNcE&s=w-KNE0qHxBzLl5_bvs5e1kT9pzXsQgMX50JBlreERJE&e</a>=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Emily Barabas:see tab 2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):the Emily <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):should read thx <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:ignore my hand :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:consistency in rules is important as @Avri states<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Other than the ones reserved by the IETF of course<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:Was there a basis for reseving the others originally? Can we find it in the history? If not, no need to keep reserving them.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul McGrady:@ Jeff RE: IETF, sounds good so long as there is a rationale. Would love to know if the "ICANN names" have any basis.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree with the IETF list as they've got rationale to do so
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman 2:AS far as I can recall, there were no technical reasons for reserving the ICANN names.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:The next New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 2 – Legal/Regulatory Issues will take place on 10 August 2017 at 21:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks all, lots more to do obviously... bye for now then...
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Sara Bockey:thanks all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> avri doria:bye<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alexander Schubert:TNX<o:p></o:p></p>
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