[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3] Recording, AC Chat & Attendance from New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team Track 3 String Contention, Objections & Disputes on Tuesday, 01 Augusts 2017 at 15:00 UTC
Terri Agnew
terri.agnew at icann.org
Tue Aug 1 16:55:14 UTC 2017
Dear All,
Please find the attendance and audio recording of the call attached to this
email and the Adobe Connect recording (visual and audio) and AC Chat below
for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team - Track 3 - String
Contention, Objections & Disputes held on Tuesday, 01 August 2017 at 15:00
UTC.
Adobe Connect recording:
<https://participate.icann.org/p9rzmb9xk7g/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=a734cab52dd0f74b
6487850c643c955ffb306ed2d345023772faa3091aafe84d>
https://participate.icann.org/p9rzmb9xk7g/
The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
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http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
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Kind regards,
Terri
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for 01 August 2017
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team -
Track 3 - String Contention, Objections & Disputes on Tuesday, 01 August
2017 at 15:00 UTC for 60 minutes.
Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_t
wAhB
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_
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Jeff Neuman:hearing a bunch of crackling noise
Jeff Neuman:Anne, that may be coming from you
Jeff Neuman:Is Robin on?
Jeff Neuman:Just give us one more minute and we will start
Jeff Neuman:sure
Michael Flemming:yes
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:I was curious if we will be returning to 3.1.5 since
it was not covered on the last call
Terri Agnew:New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group will take place
on Monday, 07 August 2017 at 20:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Alan Greenberg:Not particularly relevant to this group, but I have been
selected as Chair (Interim) of the RDS-WHOIS2-RT.
Emily Barabas:The full group call will be on 29 August at 3:00 UTC
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Congrats Alan - good to know.
Emily Barabas:(Tuesday in UTC, but Monday night for those calling in from
the Americas)
avri doria:no addition
Emily Barabas:document is now unsynced so everyone can zoom as needed
Emily Barabas:we are on page 7
Emily Barabas:Excerpts are on display in the central pod. Full text of the
comments are available here:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreads
heets_d_1A5uaxBAgmg7QsFuqMdVvt1HxNZ4jKXnm3Hp0gZra7U0_edit
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avri doria:so yes dotgay was forced to respond to someone who was
ultimately denied standing.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):COMMENT: I support the idea of a screening
based on standing but it should not take forever to do - should be done
quickly in order to provide certainty for Applicants and potential
Objectors.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):makes sense to me Anne
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Agree with Alan it is difficult to detremine
standing without both sides filing pleadings.
Alan Greenberg:I strongly support a preliminary determination (which will
catch most who do not have standing).
Alan Greenberg:Better said by Anne.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed! be very useful
Alan Greenberg:To be clear, what I was sayingwas that there should be a
preliminary determination on standing, and if it fails, the objection is
dead. Only if preliminary standing is granted does the complain prodeed.
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:I could concur with that Alan. Basic investigation
to confirm that the objector represents a legitimate organization that is
capable of achieving standing is key.
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:but does it mean that no other entity can object to
the community application if they select CPE?
avri doria:and for a community objector, is this just the applicant being
barred or any of the community who supprted the application?
Alan Greenberg:Note that 2/19 is 10%.
Alan Greenberg:I presume the IO was not paid on a per-objection basis.
That would be a direct conflict of interest.
Trang Nguyen:The IO was not paid on a per-objection basis.
avri doria:the degree to which any of the money spent on application
processing and objection resolution were good expenditures is a large
subject of its own.
Trang Nguyen:@Jeff, the AGB says "The IO may consider public comment when
making an independent assessment whether an objection is warranted. The IO
will have access to application comments received during the comment
period."
avri doria:i.e once we start the evaluation of function versus
expenditure, this is not the only one that should be subject to such
analysis.i.e once we start the evaluation of function versus expenditure,
this is not the only one that should be subject to such analysis.
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:i think it would be hard to conduct a full 360 on
the effectiveness of the IO. we will never have any idea how many gTLD ideas
or applications were thwarted by the meer existance of an IO.
Greg Shatan:We need a Bodhisattva.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Underlying philoshical basis was the Limited
Public Interest Objection. If poorly executed, it needs to be fixed.
Otherwise, we are getting rid of that Objection.
Greg Shatan:@Jamie, do you have any reason to believe that any
applications were thwarted/unfiled due to the existence of the IO?
Trang Nguyen:The AGB also says "In light of the public interest goal noted
above, the IO shall not object to an application unless at least one comment
in opposition to the application is made in the public sphere." So, you are
correct, Jeff.
avri doria:can we invite IO for a discussion?
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:@Greg, without the IO role to intervene on issues of
morality or human rights with string applciations, what would stop people
from applying from them and who would intervene to prevent some of the ideas
mentioned on this call?
avri doria:the discussion of his understanding might help in revising the
description of the function
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Agree wtih Jamie. If the IO is the wrong tool
or needs more support to determine Limited Public Interest, we should fix
that. What if the ICANN Board appointed a non-conflicted subcommittee?
Susan Payne:IO's final activity report may be of interest
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.independent-2Dobjec
tor-2Dnewgtlds.org_home_final-2Dactivity-2Dreport_
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Terri Agnew:next call: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team - Track 3 -
String Contention, Objections & Disputes will take place on Tuesday, 15
August 2017 at 20:00 UTC for 60 minutes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone... good discussion... bye for
now then
Terri Agnew:@Jeff, apology noted for next call
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Thanks Jeff et al.
Robin Gross:Thanks Jeff for jumpin in! Bye!
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