[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3] Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3

Tue Feb 20 00:47:22 UTC 2018

Anne,

Do you believe a bad faith standard would be a significant change from actual implementation ? Because what Paul already pointed out that is that following the 2012 LRO to the letter, no one would have been found infringing, since there was no use. There is a criteria that LRO panels followed that wasn't infringement, and since the LRO results seem to have been received in a good light, at least reflecting the actual implementation into policy would be good, IMHO.

Rubens

> On 19 Feb 2018, at 20:49, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman at lrrc.com> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> A requirement to meet a standard of bad faith in order to succeed in a Legal Rights Objection is a significant change in policy.  Bad faith cannot be shown by an “inference” resulting from a failure to  make a statement disclaiming any bad faith intent on the part of an applicant.  This proposed new “bad faith” standard is far too high a standard on which to condition a Legal Rights Objection if that is what you are proposing.
> 
> Anne
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> From: icannlists [mailto:icannlists at winston.com <mailto:icannlists at winston.com>]
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:53 PM
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; icannlists; 'Terri Agnew'; 'Karen Day'; Paul McGrady
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> Subject: RE: Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
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> Hi Anne,
> 
> It might show likelihood of infringement, but without use, there can be no infringement.  Additionally, it seems unlikely that someone would disclose an intent to infringe in an application.  For example, it seems highly unlikely that a party would state affirmatively that they would use a .apple to sell computer parts.  However, a failure to disclaim such an intent and to propose a process for the registry to monitor and stop such uses, could show an inference of bad faith.
> 
> Bad faith is not a significant change from the policy.  The GNSO Council policy does not require an infringement analysis nor does it exclude a bad faith based policy.
> 
> Best,
> Paul
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> 
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> From: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman at lrrc.com <mailto:AAikman at lrrc.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:44 PM
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> Subject: RE: Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
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> My note on this would be that the description of the purpose and the proposed use of the TLD (Question 18) could certainly demonstrate infringement without a showing of bad faith per se.  Bad faith is a hard standard to meet and a very big change in policy.
> 
> Anne
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> From: icannlists [mailto:icannlists at winston.com <mailto:icannlists at winston.com>]
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> Subject: RE: Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
> 
> Thanks Karen.
> 
> I’m concerned that with current workload and the LA GNSO Council followed immediately by the NCPH Intercessional (also in LA) that I am not going to have time anytime soon to get into producing a line by line rationale which correspond to the detailed discussion this I already had with this group.  If there are specific questions on the proposal, I will do my best to deal with them on the list.  Please feel free to pass those on.  As far as the overall reasoning, it is that the version in the AGB is an infringement-based policy and infringement requires use.  I don’t know how you can “use” an application.  The Policy isn’t fit for purpose.  My proposal is that we move to a bad-faith based policy (the UDRP is an example of a bad-faith based policy, not an infringement based policy).
> 
> Best,
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces at icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
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> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3] Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
> 
> Thank you Terri. I remember now that it was determined this would be too expensive.
> Anne
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> From: Terri Agnew [mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org <mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org>]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:23 PM
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; 'Karen Day'; Paul McGrady
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> Subject: RE: Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
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> Hi all,
> 
> As a reminder, we do not record transcription for WT3 meetings, only Adobe Connect and MP3 recording are provided.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Terri
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> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces at icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3] Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
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> Hi Paul and Karen,
> Have not been able to locate the transcript of the call but the mp3 and Chat records are attached for Paul’s consideration.
> Anne
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> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces at icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Karen Day
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> Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3] Legal Rights Objection - Strawman for WT3
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> Dear Paul
> 
> On our WT3 call this past week we again reviewed the strawman modifications to the Legal Rights Objection[community.icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_NGSPP_2017-2D02-2D07-2BNew-2BgTLD-2BSubsequent-2BProcedures-2BPDP-2BWork-2BTrack-2B3-3Fpreview-3D_63157176_64067212_7.2.5-2520Legal-2520Rights-2520Objection-2520-2D-2520Strawman-2520Edits.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hRWuSVZDdC1_uPnksy214DIGYwmr9SkJaaN4uVQLYlU&s=zFCZ-KaqNV8GuMlqk2Qj7x_XLebUL_qYNGn3_bjm87Q&e=> sections of the AGB which you had presented to the group for our consideration.   Since you were not able to join us on the call, the members wanted to ask if you could please provide to the us, via the email list, a written explanation for the overall reasoning for making changes to the LRO, as well as rationale for each of your red lines.
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> As you will see from the notes and chat transcript, in almost every instance members wanted to know if there had been specific occurrences in the 2012 round which prompted your request for that particular change.  If so, they would like to know the details of what those incidents were.
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> The members felt that having a good understanding of the foundation for your recommendations was essential to the group being able to continue to refine our thoughts and positions on the LRO.
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> If I can be of any assistance or if you have any questions back while preparing your responses, please don’t hesitate to let me know.
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> Thanks,
> Karen
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