<div>Jeff,</div><div><br></div><div>Who was the fifth applicant?</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 5:16 AM Jeff Neuman &lt;<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" class="gmail_msg"><br><br><div class="m_-6876493480955405806WordSection1 gmail_msg"><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><a name="m_-6876493480955405806__MailEndCompose" class="gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">The following is my personal opinion and<br><br><u class="gmail_msg">not</u> as one of the co-chairs:<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></a></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Although the ALAC was provided with funding to file LPI objections and Community based objections, Alan argued on the call that the fact that they could not meet the standing requirements meant that the offer<br><br> of funding was rendered essentially useless.  I agree with Alan in that respect, which is why I believe that such funding should NOT be made available for subsequent application windows or ALAC objections.  If the ALAC has any objections, just like the comments<br><br> of any other SO or constituency, they can be addressed during the public comment periods. <br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">At my previous employer, I was involved in defending Dot Health LLC against the ALAC complaint regarding .health (on Community Objection Grounds).  I observed on the ALAC mailing lists lobbying efforts from consultants<br><br> that worked for the World Health Organization to get this objection filed.  The WHO was not able to convince its own organizational members to file the dispute, so it pursued this other avenue through the ALAC in order to hide behind the ALAC umbrella and<br><br> receive funding from ICANN.  The ALAC also noticed that the Independent Objector filed on Public Interest grounds, so it therefore opted to pursue on Community Objection Grounds.  A copy of the decision is here: <br><br></span><a href="http://www.iccwbo.org/Data/Documents/Business-Services/Dispute-Resolution-Services/Expertise/ICANN-New-gTLD-Dispute-Resolution/EXP_504_ICANN_121_Expert-Determination/" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.iccwbo.org/Data/Documents/Business-Services/Dispute-Resolution-Services/Expertise/ICANN-New-gTLD-Dispute-Resolution/EXP_504_ICANN_121_Expert-Determination/</a><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> <br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">The ALAC argued that because they speak for individual users of the Internet, and they were given funding from ICANN, the standing requirement shouldn’t apply to them.  They argued that because the .health string<br><br> was being pursued by a commercial entity, there was no way that the commercial entity could be trusted to administer the registry.  They provided no back-up to their claims and wrote a brief based on personal opinions with no corroborating facts, expert opinions<br><br> or other evidence of their claims.  The ALAC lost the complaint and ICANN was forced to pay the entire costs of the proceeding.  Although Dot Health LLC was able to recover some of its portion of the filing fee, it nonetheless spent tens of   thousands  of<br><br> dollars in actual time and money to prepare the defense.  These dollars were never recouped.  At the moment I cannot find the ALAC complaint, but an article on it is here: <br><br></span><a href="http://www.internetnews.me/2013/02/16/alac-to-submit-objection-against-health/" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.internetnews.me/2013/02/16/alac-to-submit-objection-against-health/</a><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">   The complaint was filed against 4 of the 5 applicants<br><br> for .health at a filing fee near $200,000 a pop (costing ICANN close to a million dollars in filing fees alone).  ICANN itself had no role in reviewing the complaint, but was forced to bear the costs despite the fact that I believe if ICANN staff had a role<br><br> in reviewing the complaint, they would have recommended that it not be filed without supporting evidence and without a basis to meet the standing requirements.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Again this is my personal opinion.  Please treat as such.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><div class="gmail_msg"><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0f9347" class="gmail_msg">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#0f9347" class="gmail_msg">Senior Vice President </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">|</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#c39209" class="gmail_msg">Valideus<br><br> USA</span></b><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#c32830" class="gmail_msg"><br><br></span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">| </span><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#c32830" class="gmail_msg">Com Laude USA</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">Mclean, VA 22102, United States<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">E:<br><br></span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00b050" class="gmail_msg">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#595959" class="gmail_msg"><br><br> or </span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00b050" class="gmail_msg">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#00b050" class="gmail_msg"><br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">T: +1.703.635.7514<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">M: +1.202.549.5079<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4f4f4f" class="gmail_msg">@Jintlaw<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br></div><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><div class="gmail_msg"><br><br><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class="gmail_msg"><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">From:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3-bounces@icann.org</a>]<br><br><b class="gmail_msg">On Behalf Of </b>Karen Day<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><b class="gmail_msg">Sent:</b> Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:33 PM<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><b class="gmail_msg">To:</b> &#39;<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3@icann.org</a>&#39; &lt;<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3@icann.org</a>&gt;<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><b class="gmail_msg">Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3] Subsequent Procedures WT3 (Objections) Action Items<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></p><br><br></div><br><br></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-6876493480955405806WordSection1 gmail_msg"><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Dear All,<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">As we discussed during our last call we are going to make concerted effort to conduct some of our business via the list to try to avoid having to either lengthen or make more frequent<br><br> our calls.  To that end, here are this week’s list of items that we need your feedback on – hopefully prior to our next scheduled call on 20DEC16.  <br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">1.<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;" class="gmail_msg">    <br><br></span></span></span><u class="gmail_msg"></u><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Recap and positioning on<br><br><u class="gmail_msg">Limited Public Interest Objections</u>:<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Is the content &amp; function for purpose of policy stated in AGB 3.2.2.3 and 3.5.3 adequate as written or does the language need adjusting for clarification or correction? <br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">One issue that was raised on the call was that although the ALAC was given funding by ICANN to submit LPI objections they were denied standing in the case they did file. <br><br> Does this ambiguity need to be eliminated by granting the ALAC standing or otherwise?<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">A second issue that was raised was with regard to the use of the term “generally” in the definition (3.2.1) of LPI Objections.  “ The applied for gTLD string is contrary<br><br> to <i class="gmail_msg">generally</i> accepted legal norms of morality and public order that are recognized under principals of international law.”   Can this be better written to define what is generally accepted without going so far as to require a principal to be “universally”<br><br> accepted?<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">If you feel that the language of these or other LPI related sections (other than those relating to fees or the IO which we will tackle later) needs clarification please specify<br><br> for the groups consideration which section needs changing and make a proposal of how you feel it should be changed.   Again, silence will be taken that you ascribe to the ‘Neuman Rule’ that the language isn’t broken so we don’t need to fix it.<br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">2.<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;" class="gmail_msg">    <br><br></span></span></span><u class="gmail_msg"></u><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Legal Rights Objections – AGB 3.2.2.2 and 3.5.2 / Principal G – Recommendation 3; See Wiki: <br><br><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/4.4.3+Objections" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/4.4.3+Objections</a><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Please review the following three documents (all found on the WT3 wiki page linked above to prepare for our discussions on this topic:<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">            Objections Statistics with links to results for LRO cases.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">            WIPO Final Report on LRO<br><br><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">            INTA Report – The ICANN LRO: Statistics and Takeaways<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">As several of you were heavily involved in LROs from the 2012 round, it would be appreciated if you could share your experiences and suggestions for changes with the group<br><br> via the list.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">We look forward to hearing from you all soon.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Best regards,<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="m_-6876493480955405806MsoListParagraph gmail_msg" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg">Karen &amp; Robin<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#003192" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><br><br><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></p><br><br></div></div><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg"><br>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3 mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><br><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3</a></blockquote></div></div>