[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4] In Preparation for our next New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - Track 4 - 12 October 2017 Your input and action is requested.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr langdonorr at gmail.com
Fri Oct 6 21:08:48 UTC 2017

Further to the material recently distributed by Julie, from our WT4 call
(see below) Rubens and I would like this list to consider, react and
prepare for next weeks call, with regards to the important matters being
discussed on Registry Services.

If you can, please review the notes and  recording from this call, tthe
topic should start about 35-39 mins into the recoding as well as slides 12,
13, 14 and 15 from the slide deck.

In our meeting we managed to do a brief run through of the 3 presented
'Strawperson' options outlined in slides 12,13 and 14, then begin but not
complete our more detailed discussion around option 1.

This is where we will take up our main Agenda items for next weeks WT4
call  on Oct 12 at 0300 UTC.  The intention is to continue on with our
review, discussion and 'compare and contrast' of the various options,
tabled to date.

Thank you in advance for your thoughtful contributions, and we look forward
to many of you joining us on Oct 12th.

Kindest regards,

Rubens and Cheryl  (CLO)

On Oct 6, 2017 09:05, "Julie Hedlund" <julie.hedlund at icann.org> wrote:

Dear Work Track members,

Please see below the action items and notes from the meeting today.  *These
high-level notes are designed to help WG members navigate through the
content of the call and are not a substitute for the recording or
transcript.* See the chat transcript and recording at:

Slides are attached for reference and some chat room excerpts are included.

Kind regards,


Julie Hedlund, Policy Director


*Notes and Action Items: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - Track 4 -
05 October 2017*

*1. Name Collisions:*

Source data from GDD Technical Services, that acts as the basis for the
information being presented by Rubens, is available on the Name Collisions
Wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/x/Yz2AAw

*Slide 5: What's in today's agenda and what's still ahead:*

-- Results from GDD inquiry on reported collisions

-- Whether 2012-round gTLD should keep readiness after 2 years of delegation

-- Whether SubPro gTLDs should have readiness or not, and length of such

*Slide 6: Report collisions from 2012-round:*

-- No life-threatening collisions;

-- 18 unique TLDs represented in 34 occurences

-- Median of 3 occurences per TLD

-- Median of 22 days between delegation and report

-- 23 cases reported as service disruption, etc.

*Slide 7: Reported collisions from 2012-round (cont.):*

-- In 24 cases the registry was not contacted -- determined by ICANN Org
that it was not necessary.

-- In 5 the registry was put in contact with the reporter, in 1 registry
stopped controlled interruption, in 1 no action.

-- Few data on outcomes -- all 5 known outcomes the network was updated.

*Slide 8: Two-year readiness for current new gTLDs:*

All 2012-round gTLDs were required to pass a controlled interruption period
and be able to respond within two hours for life-threatening reports for
first 2 years of delegation.


a) 2012-gTLDs should extend readiness beyond the 2-year period

b) 2012-gTLDs should only have such readiness in those 2 years as currently
foreseen in the framework

b) 1 year


Option a: No one.

Option b: 6 in favor

Option c: 1 in favor

>From the chat:

Sarah L Verisign: Rubens can we get back to you on this later this week
rather than saying now?

Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO ): Sarah this is a temp taking not deffinative pol

Jon Nevett: we should do a cost differential before voting

Sarah L Verisign: I understand but I need to discuss this with other folks
before making even a temp position

Jon Nevett: what is the cost of the readiness -- if not a lot, not big deal

Jon Nevett: if it is a lot, then it gets passed on

Alan Greenberg: Cost is lower for orgs that have multiple TLDs, since cost
of readiness for 10 is no larger than 1 and TLDs come on line at different

Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Agree with Alan that every new gTLD is
different.  Initial evaluations on name collision risk could make a big
difference here.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO ): thus my 'personal' comfort with the status quo
on this at 2y

Alan Greenberg: My intervention was really in relation to THIS question,
not just the 2012 gTLDs.

*Slide 9: Framework -- Two-year readiness for SubPro gTLDs:*

Question: Should gTLDs in subsequent procedures be subject for such 2-year
readiness for life-threatening collisions?


a) Same 2-hour for life-threatening collisions readiness for first --
years. (Assume keeping 2 years.)

b) No need for readiness.

c) SubPro gTLDs should have readiness covering more conditions with --
hours/days SLA


Option a: 4 in favor

Option b: 1 in favor; 3 against

Option c: None

-- Should there be different responses for different types of TLDs?

>From the chat:

Dietmar Lenden - Valideus: 2 years would appear fair for all applicants
past and present

*2. Registry Services:*

ACTION:  Send slides 12-16 to the list and ask the list to consider and
discuss on the list the three straw-persons, contrasts, and slide 16.  Take
up this conversation at this point in the agenda next week.

Slide 12: Straw-person #1

Slide 13: Straw-person #2

Slide 14: Straw-person #3

Discussion on Straw-person #1:

-- Change in SP#1: When registry services are proposed that is when the
community has the opportunity to comment and provide input.  You don't know
the impact that the services may have.  Don't want to discourge proposals
for new services.

-- On the registry services policy -- they don't have to get input from the
community except when ICANN makes a finding that a concern has to be
evaluated.  Then the community comments on that concern via the report of
the RSEP panel.  We can go beyond that for new gTLDs.

-- With respect to input on new gTLD applications, the community doesn't
have a formal process but many of us review the applications.  There are
informal methods and if there is an irregularity there are ways in ICANN to
raise an issue.

-- If an applicant knows that if an applicant specifies a registry service
and that it will go through more evaluation, that is a disincentive to
provide that registry service early on.  Then after signing the contract
they will file an RSEP.

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