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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email. The Adobe Connect recording and AC Chat are below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>25 May<span style='color:black'> 2017 at </span>15<span style='color:black'>:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Adobe Connect recording: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p6inqxs1wgj/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=1d0b66cd3929354d21560731d101913a0a7092f23edd328723cd77441b3653ca"><b><span 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style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Mailing list archives: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4"><span style='color:#3B73AF;background:white'>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4</span></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Agenda Wiki page: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/KdTRAw">https://community.icann.org/x/KdTRAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Terri<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></u></b><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>25 May<span style='color:black'> 2017</span></span></u></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the The call for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations on Thursday, 25 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC for 60 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_KdTRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=QwTuQlm0jgowtzfTbWlT05Zo65nhmIajCNh4xKJxQ10&s=7MIqZ-8OjtawU3pIyFP5hd6NUF91yQjFGLitK96UnmY&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_KdTRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=QwTuQlm0jgowtzfTbWlT05Zo65nhmIajCNh4xKJxQ10&s=7MIqZ-8OjtawU3pIyFP5hd6NUF91yQjFGLitK96UnmY&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@Patrik: You are a presenter and can move the slides.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes we appreciate the aggregation of points with SAC094<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:While IETF only takes personal input, not organisational input, it would be useful if SSAC members raise their concerns in the upcoming Last-Call of the problem statement of TLD coordination between ICANN and IETF. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:to some people, like myself personally,another word for "private use" is squatting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Question: would you currently recommend .bit and .gnu not to be offered in new gTLD subsequent procedures ? Or are they squatters ? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathaniel Edwards:Squatting implies some intent. That is not the case for .mail, .home and.corp. Used for a very, very long time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:i think of squatting as something to be discouraged for the future and instance that exist need mitigation (mostly not a SubPro issue) .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathaniel Edwards:What would be the motivation for many thousands of private persons/entities to "squat" on "private use" names with the goal of creating a name collision risk to stop delegation of a TLD? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:If policy staff could forward this SSAC comment on TMCH to the RPM Review PDP WG, it would be interesting... unless it's already been taken into account. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathaniel Edwards:I apologize, Patrik, that question was directed at Avri.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:Nathaniel, i personally beleive that if people know they can just grab and use and that there will be no effort to unwind or mitigate such unauthorized use, there will be more. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Chan:@Rubens, I will check with the staff support for that PDP<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:Nathaniel, I beleive we have educate the world on what not to do and why and how to work around it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:Nathaniel, and we have to figure out how to mitigate the case where it has happened or may happen in the future.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:But those are jus personal views, not co-chair views.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@All: The Emoji document will be published today. Staff will send the link to this list when published.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks Julie <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:I think the Emoji fans response is just :-(<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Full-disclosure:, co-chair hat off I don't think Emoji should be used in domain names. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Slide 6 or 7: Question: would you currently recommend .bit and .gnu not to be offered in new gTLD subsequent procedures ? Or are they squatters ? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathaniel Edwards:Patrik, has ICANN taken any action in response to Rec 7 of SSAC 66: "ICANN should in due course publish information about not yet disclosed issues [regarding name collision risks]"?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:can .bit & .gno be subjected to the RFC 6761 process<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:i meant .gnu not .gno<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:SSAc also suggested at one point that registries be warned if they were applying for a known collision risk at the time of applications<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:I remember an expired I-D (Internet Draft) for .bit. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Quoc Pham:.onion has a commercial use with tor as opposed to .local - could this be a point of differential which does not qualify .onion "special use"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@Did we lose Patrik?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Patrik, we can't hear you. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Now we can. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Patrik Fältström, SSAC Chair:Yes, you can always ask me for clarifications. You can and should also send more specific questions to SSAC when you have them, and do not wait until you have a formal report done.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Patrik Fältström, SSAC Chair:Then I am leaving the call. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathaniel Edwards:Thank you, Patrik<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Dietmar Lenden - Valideus:thank you Patrick<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations will take place on Thursday, 08 June 2017 at 20:00 UTC for 60 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@Cheryl: We'll add SAC095 on Emoji to the reading list and SAC094 on CC2.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Not from me. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rubens Kuhl:Bye all, thanks for coming!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> avri doria:bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Hedlund:@Cheryl -- That also is addressed in the SSAC's response to CC2.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>