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<div class="">On 8 Jun 2017, at 11:25, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="">1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">How
to deal with new applications that may present high risk strings in an orderly fashion that does not subject applicants and others to investment of time and money that is wasted. (This should include advice as to how to coordinate evaluation of special names
with IETF.)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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technical advice on DITL as the most valuable measure of name collision issues (as per “off the cuff” advice from JAS recently received.) Are you saying that we use DITL, but don’t use any apd information? Or are you saying use apd information, but apply
controlled interruption to those names? If so, does controlled interruption answer the concerns of brands where brand names are purchased during Sunrise and then subject to controlled interruption procedures?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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technical advice on the period of controlled interruption – can and should it be shortened? (RySG comments mention Interisle and talk about seeking additional technical advice. RySG notes that Advisors should not have any conflicts of interest.)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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advice on individual label review.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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advice on the overall restructuring of the current version of the Name Collision Framework to the extent we believe changes should be considered. (Please note the existing Name Collision Framework does not contain a process for identifying high risk strings).
The existing Name Collision Framework should be submitted to technical experts along with any recommendations and questions we may have for the purpose of getting expert advice on the best methods for updating the Framework for the next round.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Put more bluntly, if we do not obtain more updated expert technical advice on name collision issues and how to handle them going forward, we are the ones “guessing”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Just another anecdotal evidence of the size of APD files, I believe... to add another, some DNS zones we provisioned for back-end registry customers were larger than most of the DNS zones we ever provisioned. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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SAC 90 is more of the "Conflicting TLD Allocations" theme than name collisions per se. One possible conflict that a possible name collision could cause is that if two organisations decide differently how to handle a TLD that is said to be prone to collisions,
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Regarding SAC 62, it has two recommendations, one regarding high risk strings and the other regarding trial delegations; the final Name Collision Framework ended up not having trial delegations, so this part was fully accepted by the board. The one regarding
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Considering that SSAC advice, Internet-Drafts, CircleID articles and Root Server information public information already mentioned .home and .corp, I don't agree with them being identified until much later. On the other hand, .mail, or more properly dotless
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it is a “threshold” issue for any applicant. If we don’t have individual string review, how can these high risk strings be identified in new applications? Did we learn anything from the 2012 round? (Put another way, this WG cannot afford to take the “ostrich”
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That's a guess, and while that might become true or not, since it's not in our charter we can only considerer subsequent procedures for this specific topic. If the Board later uses a paradigm the PDP suggests, it's up to them. The only case we know for sure
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generated by the 2012 round, a number of brand names were blocked and were not subject to a second Sunrise when released. This is a significant issue for brand owners which also needs to be addressed as a policy matter. (See attached apd reports by TLD as
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The APD lists were a shortcut to be used while the framework was being developed, but I'm sure no one would suggest it to be done again. For instance, after ICANN approved the framework, registries were forbidden to use APD lists and would instead obliged to
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I'm not sure we need advice beyond what we already got from SSAC, JAS, INTA and RySG, considering our scope. I believe we could require such advice if we were to deal with .home, .corp, and .mail, but that is not in our plate... besides that, what reasons do
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