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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Sutton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 08, 2017 12:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4] WT4 Call Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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existing framework does not even address evaluation of high risk “unicorn” strings at all and some of the CC2 comments suggest per label review is not needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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see any way the members of this group could possibly be comfortable proceeding without it. If we want timely results in relation to concluding Sub Pro work, we should formulate questions for technical experts and get estimates right now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rubens
Kuhl [<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br"><span style="color:purple">mailto:rubensk@nic.br</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 08, 2017 5:00 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4] WT4 Call Agenda</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">How
to deal with new applications that may present high risk strings in an orderly fashion that does not subject applicants and others to investment of time and money that is wasted. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fortunately SSAC had already thought of that in SAC045, and reminded us of it in SAC094. What was clear from the 2012 round is that ICANN simply saying "do your own due diligence" doesn't cut it for this particular topic. We should also
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<p class="MsoNormal">This has one more nuance: it's not only IETF, but software development community in general. For instance. while .bit was proposed in IETF special names process for NameCoin, but never got traction there, there is actual software out there
that intercepts any request for .bit and makes a NameCoin request instead of a DNS request. As Prof. Lawrence Lessig reminds us, "code is law". <o:p></o:p></p>
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technical advice on DITL as the most valuable measure of name collision issues (as per “off the cuff” advice from JAS recently received.) Are you saying that we use DITL, but don’t use any apd information? Or are you saying use apd information, but apply
controlled interruption to those names? If so, does controlled interruption answer the concerns of brands where brand names are purchased during Sunrise and then subject to controlled interruption procedures?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What ICANN Org already mentioned is to not do a per-label proceeding of any kind, and I fully agree with that. So even DITL being a solid data source for research, using it blindly (as happened with APD) leads to suffering. <o:p></o:p></p>
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technical advice on the period of controlled interruption – can and should it be shortened? (RySG comments mention Interisle and talk about seeking additional technical advice. RySG notes that Advisors should not have any conflicts of interest.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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