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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email. The Adobe Connect recording and AC Chat are below for the New gTLD Subsequent
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 14 September 2017<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations on Thursday, 14 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ERohB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=GC8dwGufawkQbzeVf1YcrIQcP1JWp6Kl6IfYzZ1mH1A&s=aLdb1sOWFWlCR4yIhV9cTJSxjkSfzENPIxFQ_OVWFbo&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ERohB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=GC8dwGufawkQbzeVf1YcrIQcP1JWp6Kl6IfYzZ1mH1A&s=aLdb1sOWFWlCR4yIhV9cTJSxjkSfzENPIxFQ_OVWFbo&e</a>=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):of course 40kg+ "puppies have to play wrestle *at* your feet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jon Nevett:Quick question -- why is the IDNs/Technical & Operations WG looking at financial issues?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):As an Evluation Question it falls to us and WT2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jon Nevett:ok -- thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:@Jon, I think the name for the WT could probably be a bit more broad. Here is the Wiki page for this subject:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:@Trang, I have the PIRR extract if you have any desire to share.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Work Track 4 looks at all of the questions in the application<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Which would mean perhaps an even L O N G E R name for this WT ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alan Greenberg:What slide are we on?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bless you <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:5<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):slide 5<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:If anyone is interested in reviewing the Program Implementation Review Report, Financial Capability Evaluation section, there is an extract here on the Wiki:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):perfect timing STeve ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thank You Trang<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):slide 6<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:what is it about the financial statements that caused failures?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Is it just related to proposed business cases?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Buckingham:jeff - there was no due diligence . It was ticking boxes according to a " balancing templated model " The template didnt balance . It was standardised for ALL applicants
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Buckingham:how did they ( evaluators ) deteremine when the application ( rather than the applicant ) was a (not) a going concern
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it is not a viability or "health" check...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Buckingham:exactly Jeff . No applicant could project revenues 5 years out in a brand new market place back in 2012 !
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:So we have to go back to the original 2007 policy which states: Applicants must be able to demonstrate their financial and organisational operational capability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):In applicant support situations , support may even be required to present in appropriate language and form , business planning and financials etc.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Buckingham:so if there is no financial evaluation then the overall mission statement ( q18) needs to be points scored in terms of financial , technical , operationally capability . This would need to be points scored on an
annual basis to check if there are any material changes .<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Trang Nguyen:or obtaining a certified statement from an auditor...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):there is a risk of being too US or EU centric on all this though Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we always base things on our own experience set of course<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Buckingham:any certified statement would need to in complaince with US GAAP , since ICANN is a US corporation . This could prove to be very problematic to (say) an African NGO applicant
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:But what is the remification of not passing any of these checks?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Of course "passing the checks" has to be defined<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:So you can be awarded the TLD, but not sign a contract?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it was a hypothetical small island state of course ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Credit scores are very jurisdiction-dependent...
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):"credit score of [....] or ratifyable alternate" perhaps Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ergh typos sorry<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):time check<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:But personally agree that the existing questions and answers did not really assess what it was meant to assess/<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Thanks Trang for joining us today!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> avri doria:bye. very informative, thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:The next New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations will take place on Thursday, 28 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC for 60 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Buckingham:+1 Rubens it might work in 1 st world countries . I cant see how this would work in 3 rd world ( potentially more riskier / corrupt ) countries
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):corruption can be a stable financial system<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye all<o:p></o:p></p>
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