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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email. The Adobe Connect recording and AC Chat are below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for 30 November 2017<o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations call on Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 20:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_s5lEB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=ngiY1MpLw-GXY-Bs-lXUUsByVemVv4o964mmSRyz4MU&s=bQCMNRuKJ_a2mDCxOd4mHGKlkBpJaJBWihBEOdJcV2U&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_s5lEB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=ngiY1MpLw-GXY-Bs-lXUUsByVemVv4o964mmSRyz4MU&s=bQCMNRuKJ_a2mDCxOd4mHGKlkBpJaJBWihBEOdJcV2U&e</a>=<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):sometimes Skype to toll free US number works (also for free)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Hedlund:Unsynced.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jessica Hooper:The phone ending in 2801 is mine. JHooper with Verisign. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Thank you, Jessica<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Consenus as stated in GNSO guidelines, which is rough consensus.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Rough consensus is how IETF prefer calling it.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):It is the morning time of bird calls here soI will have a different noisy background but we can choose :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): GNSO Working Group Guidelines specify several different levels of consensus. These include Minority Statement where applicable.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):what kind of specific situations for 1-char IDN TLDs we forsee? Does Unicode Character 'BEER MUG' (U+1F37A) count as one?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):After today as we review we will then put together a more detailedtime line for what we need to still deal with and settle where possible before the publication of the Preliminary Report in March<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Maxim wouldn't that be an emoji?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):not an IDN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):a single item describing the concept, I am not sure we will not have enoji TLDs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):similar to hyerogliphs e.t.c.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Internationalized Domain Names Languages have to date only referred to 'official
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks for the clarification<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):' languages and scripts but I do not beleive Symbols per se<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):But I am not an expert in this<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):6 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so far IANA IDN tables have hyeroglyps
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.iana.org_domains_idn-2Dtables_tables_accenture-5Fegyp-5F2.5.txt&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=ngiY1MpLw-GXY-Bs-lXUUsByVemVv4o964mmSRyz4MU&s=vk9fMO3MTQuXZggXZf0TzUR7cJfAvmjL7PfVzz1iHRM&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.iana.org_domains_idn-2Dtables_tables_accenture-5Fegyp-5F2.5.txt&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=ngiY1MpLw-GXY-Bs-lXUUsByVemVv4o964mmSRyz4MU&s=vk9fMO3MTQuXZggXZf0TzUR7cJfAvmjL7PfVzz1iHRM&e</a>=
for example. and as I understand all current TLD's IDNs are to be allowed <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Anne see your hand this is foe slide 7
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):YES - re first bullet point<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):OK<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):hoped I hadn't missed it on 6 ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Thanks Anne <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Anne fresh hand?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):I am sorry I cannot understand Rubens at all at this time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair): the audio is choppy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Thanks Kurt that is very clear to me
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):My proposal for the friendly amendment refers to the fact that aggregating should be (consistent with order of priority to be determined by Work Track ___ recommendations). Agree with Kurt that innovative
proposals should not be disadvantaged.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):can we have some proposed language typed into the chat then?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):so we can capture properly<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Anne we hit send at the same time ;=)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):slide 8<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):currently RSEP for Registries seems to be broken<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Sorry if my AC responses are slow the connectivity is orange to red in my AC room today<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Per Kurt's comment, we should add a second bullet point "Innovative proposals requiring further technical evaluation should not be disadvantaged in terms of order of processing applications".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Noted Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Slide 9 Actually<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):So are we going to modify Slide 7 in accordance with the comments or not? (Again, I cannot understand what Rubens is saying.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):There is too much background noise.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Yes Anne we will
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Thanks Cheryl<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio is breaking <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:@Rubens, you're line is cutting in and out<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Rubens is thre yet another location you can try?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):the audio is now dropping in and out<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I do not hear Rubens now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:@Rubens. we are losing you <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Stop please Rubens<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:should i mute Rubens?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Rubens, we lost a minute of two of your speech<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Ok Cheryl. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Ok Cheryl<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:On bridge now but let's move on with Cheryl<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):we will mute his line<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):RSEP currently has no predicted finish time
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):"whether a new gTLD application should be required to disclose new services at the time of application"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Rubens Kuhl: "Whether applicants need to specify which pre-approved services will be provided"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:That's bullet 1, it's already there. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Yes, there was support to change the policy.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Actually RSEP was always how new registry services is evaluated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Consensus is not unanimity. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):The RSEP only for the Registries (who have Registry Agreement), and might not be so for Applicants
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):at least the policy itself is older than the therm Applicant<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*term<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:That's the question posed at bullet 1. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Services that are not pre-approved already require being disclosed in application, if applicant wants it being evaluated.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):he was muted<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:try now, Rubens<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:I think that is right<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):are we on page 9?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):or 11?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Hedlund:We were on Financial Evaluation, but Anne is speaking to slide 11, it appears.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):I was picking up from 9 again
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):but Anne is on 11<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Anne, I believe we are still in Financial Evaluation<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):SO when she finishes we will move to 10<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Please note: Rubens will be able to chat only unless he states otherwise<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Hedlund:@Anne: The notes, for the most part, echo the slides so that the slide text can be seen in relation to the discussion points as they arise. Sorry for any confusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Hedlund:As there is a lot to type staff tries to get a little ahead if possible so that all is covered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):legacy TLDs have different contracts then new gTLDs , so Name Collisions are not applicable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Means ICANN would do the controlled interruption, not the registries<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):there were talks about 90 days and 120 days , as I remember<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:About the length, it would be the same as 2012, since there was no consensus to change it.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ok<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:ICANN always use contractors, they rarely do anything themselves. But they operate DNS servers, so they could do it if they feel like it.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we know how much time name collisions lists calculation takes next time? a year like last time?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:That means than an applicant could mention whether they believe the string is low risk, aggravated risk, or high risk. And if one of the later two, they can suggest a framework in the application.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathaniel Edwards:Wouldn't applicants always claim there isn't a collision risk?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Note those slides are recap, they are not tentative language.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):No doubt<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:No they were not. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Note that no decision was supposed to happen in this call. And indeed none was taken.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it would be great to send the deck with the notification of the call
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:The slides will be sent out and we can comment on the e-mail<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):is it possible to use numbers instead of bullets? (will be simpler to follow, like 9.1 for the first bullet on p.9)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rubens Kuhl:Nothing to add, thanks Cheryl for running the later part of the meeting.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):military style throat phone :) might be a solution<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:NEXT CALL: Thursday, 14 December 2017 at 03:00 UTC
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):birds sound nice<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Thank you Cheryl.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair):Bye everyone ... Thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
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