[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.

Tue Aug 7 08:11:05 UTC 2018

Carlos +1
Kavouss

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:47 AM Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Carlos wrote:
>
> I just don't agree that the sole recommendation of WT5 that is going to be
> measure is a negative one: to restrict delegation of most geographic names.
> In my view recommendations should be framed in a positive manner, if
> possible.
>
> This reminded me that we have so far talked almost exclusively about what
> are generally called "preventive" processes (reserve lists, permission
> requirements, blocking lists, etc.), and very little about what are
> generally called "curative" processes (objections, dispute resolution
> processes, challenge processes, etc.).  By doing so, we've taken half the
> tools out of the toolkit.
>
> I just finished working on the reconvened IGO-INGO Preventive Rights WG
> where we were dealing (at this point) with reserving/restricting national
> Red Cross/Red Crescent society names.  In this case, a preventive rights
> approach made sense -- the names of the various national societies are
> essentially unique, identified only with that one entity, third party uses
> are almost certainly done in bad faith and with bad intent, and there's no
> real underlying policy disagreement.  In some cases (e.g., name collisions,
> certain reserved names) there is also a strong technical component.  This
> is how preventive rights have generally been used in ICANN policy -- for
> "slam-dunk" cases.
>
> There are few, if any, "slam-dunk" cases in our work.  A good case can be
> made for 2-letter letter-letter combinations.  Perhaps a good case can be
> made for some of the remaining classifications in this first set or
> potential recommendations.  However, as we move "down the list", so to
> speak, we get further away from "slam-dunk" situations.  We could
> potentially make more headway on some of the classifications of names if we
> considered "curative" processes, instead of being so intensely focused on
> "preventive" rights.  This tends to turn our discussions into "all or
> nothing" choices -- but this is a false menu, since there are other options
> aside from the binary "all/nothing" that should be on the menu.
>
> Let's keep this in mind as we move forward.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:34 PM Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Paul and think we should declare agreement where we have it,
>> and build on that to find other agreement down the line.  The process is
>> supposed to involve incremental steps and building blocks along the way,
>> and that is how we will eventually arrive at a consensus.  To take the
>> “nothing until everything” approach will keep us spinning our wheels
>> indefinitely, cause confusion, and risks unexpected results, which is in no
>> one’s interest.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 2:16 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady at winston.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m a little concerned with the “Nothing is agreed until everything is
>> agreed” approach.  This isn’t a contract negotiation, it is a consensus
>> building exercise.  If we have to wait until every topic has been discussed
>> and we think we have 100% agreement on all topics before we take a
>> consensus call on individual topics, this WG will never find an end point.
>>
>> Best,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org> *On
>> Behalf Of *lists at christopherwilkinson.eu Wilkinson
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 6, 2018 4:09 PM
>> *To:* Martin Sutton <martin at brandregistrygroup.org>
>> *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus
>> Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.
>>
>>
>> Dear Co-Leads and Martin:
>>
>> I disagree with the method proposed.
>>
>> 1. It is premature to start consensus calls on certain restricted topics
>> when other more critical topics have not yet been discussed.
>>
>> 2.  Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> CW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El 6 de agosto de 2018 a las 21:06 Martin Sutton <
>> martin at brandregistrygroup.org> escribió:
>>
>> Hi Christopher,
>>
>> In order to progress the building of the Initial Report, the agenda is
>> designed to focus on how we will achieve this and begin to gather
>> recommendations where we find consensus. Item 4 was raised on the last call
>> and members were requested to continue discussions over the email list,
>> although this has been somewhat quiet probably due to holiday periods.
>>
>> We encourage you to use the email list for elaborating on non-AGB
>> categories, this will then help towards further discussions on the call. By
>> experience of the discussions relating to non-capital cities, please
>> provide a sound argument/rationale for any suggestions for the group to
>> consider, rather than simply stating a request.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>> Martin
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On 6 Aug 2018, at 15:25, lists at christopherwilkinson.eu Wilkinson <
>> lists at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Co-Leads:  May I request that point 4 of the proposed agenda be
>> moved up to point 1.
>>
>> Some participants, including myself, have only persevered with WT5
>> in-order to discuss the non-AGB terms.
>>
>> These include :
>>
>> -  all other geographical terms
>>
>> -  geographical indications
>>
>> -  several groups of regional, cultural, economic and linguistic names.
>>
>> Thankyou and regards
>>
>> Christopher Wilkinson
>>
>> El 6 de agosto de 2018 a las 14:42 Martin Sutton <
>> martin at brandregistrygroup.org> escribió:
>> Dear Work Track members,
>>
>> Please find below the proposed agenda for the WT5 call on Wednesday 8
>> August at 13:00 UTC:
>>
>> 1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates
>> 2. Review of Consensus Call Process and Work Plan
>> 3. Consensus Call on Country and Territory Names
>> 4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms
>> 5. AOB
>>
>> On our upcoming call, the leadership team will introduce a work plan
>> aimed at wrapping up WT5’s work and delivering an Initial Report by the end
>> of September. In maintaining this timeline, the leadership is seeking to
>> ensure that Work Track 5 inputs can be effectively integrated into the work
>> of the broader New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group in time for
>> delivery of the PDP’s Final Report. A copy of the work plan is attached.
>>
>> As outlined in the work plan, the leadership team will be holding a
>> series of consensus calls on potential recommendations to include in WT5’s
>> Initial Report. These will be introduced in clusters, with the first set of
>> recommendations focusing on country and territory names. The draft
>> recommendations, which will be discussed on Wednesday, are attached. *Work
>> Track members are encouraged to review and provide feedback on these draft
>> recommendations prior to the call on Wednesday*. The leadership team
>> will officially open the consensus call on this topic following Wednesday’s
>> call. For more information on the consensus call process that will be
>> followed, please see the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, Section 3.6:
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>> Javier Rua
>> Olga Cavalli
>> Martin Sutton
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