[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.

Thu Aug 9 13:34:35 UTC 2018

I agree that we disagree Alexander, 

2 letter TLDs have long been used to many other purposes other than
country names, for profit or not, and I don´t think I have to give you
examples, as you are an expert in the thin blue line between the public
and the private interest, depending on what case are we discussing and
where the sound of music comes from. 

My hope, by proposing a right of first refusal or some other transparent
procedure our fine lawyers may propose to public entities of the ISO 3
letter codes is actually to have a CLEAN, REALLY NON FOR PROFIT, LIST OF
COUNTRY NAMES in the Domain Space. 

If Governments or cc TLD mangers don´t want it, or even some oppose the
idea of having such a CLEAN REFERENCE LIST, then let´s give it to an
international organization (even to the manager of .int or .org for
example) so at least there is a good basis for using the ISO 3 letter
code list for the public interest ONLY! 

Instead of the lukewarm support for the status quo draft in the first
list of recommendations discussed yesterday, we should be engaged in the
SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF NEW OPTIONS FOR CLEAR CUT, PUBLIC INTEREST
ORIENTED USE OF COUNTRY AND TERRITORY NAMES NOMINALLY BASED ON THE ISO 3
LETTER LIST, like we are doing right now and we have previously doe in
the ccNSO and GNSO CWG. (Annebeth and I have sat trough all this before)

I don´t believe in the pressure of the SubPro PDP. But I believe in the
great space for serious discussion about proper use of country and
territory names that this WT5 has, even for redress of vintage RFCs. So
let´s use it in a positive way, with clear public interest objectives
the people who live in those geographic aeas deserve. 

Amen

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Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez 
carlosraul at gutierrez.se 
+506 8837 7176 
Aparatado 1571-1000 
COSTA RICA

El 2018-08-09 03:57, Alexander Schubert escribió:

> Dear Annabeth, dear Carlos, 
> 
> I agree with Annabeth. RFC 1591 (who doesn't know it by heart: check ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt) cemented the one and only real differentiator in the DNS: 
> That there are ccTLDs; operated and organized by authority  (which may be deligated like in .tv)  of countries/nations. And that these are two character strings. That everything exceeding two characters are gTLDs. 
> 
> If we want to keep this (rather artificial - but to date well working) BASE order of the DNS; we should refrain from assigning two character gTLDs. It's a TINY amount of potentially available strings anyway.  
> 
> The two character vs more than two character distinction needs to be uphold; BOTH WAYS (no three letter ccTLDs). 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Alexander 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Annebeth Lange <annebeth.lange at norid.no> 
> Date: 8/8/18 23:48 (GMT+02:00) 
> To: Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul at gutierrez.se> 
> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org 
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call. 
> 
> Hi Carlos 
> 
> Could I ask you for one clarification? If we open up for some 2-letter/letter combinations in the GNSO process, they will automatically be gTLDs. You don't think that will disturb the distinction we have had from the beginning that 2-characters are ccTLDs and 3 or more gTLDs? 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Annebeth
> 
> Annebeth B Lange 
> Special Adviser International Policy 
> UNINETT Norid AS 
> Phone: +47 959 11 559 
> Mail: annebeth.lange at norid.no 
> 
> 8. aug. 2018 kl. 22:43 skrev Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul at gutierrez.se>:
> 
> My comments to today's call: 
> 
> 1. "The ICANN Community may want to consider whether a future process should be established or determine if, when, and how specific interested parties, such as relevant government authorities, may apply for country and territory names" This paragraph is the only sensible part of a forward-looking recommendation and should/could be redrafted. I wonder if it could be enhanced, or if the only way to go is deletion as CW suggested.   A shorter more concise version? A more "liberal" version? How about: "ICANN may consider applications by specific interested parties, such as relevant authorities, of strings that are not current or future countries or territories."  Ps: The text in Recommendation 1 "reserving ALL two character letter letter" combinations-  can be enhanced.  I wonder if it's truly ALL, or if the potential for future countries and potential combinations is really much less broad? Could that be qualified somehow? I can't think of a future .xx or .ññ country or territory
and maybe we could tweak the language to open this a bit and garner broad community support to move forward. 
> 
> 2. Other than recommendation #1, I object strongly the text to "keep geo names from the delegation" in any other recommedation, unless a clear rationale is added to the recommendation 
> 
> 3. I hope no draft goes out before a substantial non-AGB names discussion has taken place, including to geographic related, cultural, linguistic and other social  elements, ,like Apache Nation 
> 
> Best regards 
> 
> ---
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez 
> carlosraul at gutierrez.se 
> +506 8837 7176 
> Aparatado 1571-1000 
> COSTA RICA
> 
> El 2018-08-08 05:09, Emily Barabas escribió: 
> 
> Dear Work Track members, 
> 
> Please find attached suggested revisions to the draft recommendations shared yesterday. Please note that this revised text includes clarifications and typo corrections only. Feedback on some of the more substantive issues will be discussed further on today's call. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Emily 
> 
> FROM: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Martin Sutton <martin at brandregistrygroup.org>
> DATE: Monday, 6 August 2018 at 14:45
> TO: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org>
> SUBJECT: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call. 
> 
> Dear Work Track members, 
> 
> Please find below the proposed agenda for the WT5 call on Wednesday 8 August at 13:00 UTC: 
> 
> 1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates
> 2. Review of Consensus Call Process and Work Plan
> 3. Consensus Call on Country and Territory Names
> 4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms
> 5. AOB 
> 
> On our upcoming call, the leadership team will introduce a work plan aimed at wrapping up WT5's work and delivering an Initial Report by the end of September. In maintaining this timeline, the leadership is seeking to ensure that Work Track 5 inputs can be effectively integrated into the work of the broader New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group in time for delivery of the PDP's Final Report. A copy of the work plan is attached. 
> 
> As outlined in the work plan, the leadership team will be holding a series of consensus calls on potential recommendations to include in WT5's Initial Report. These will be introduced in clusters, with the first set of recommendations focusing on country and territory names. The draft recommendations, which will be discussed on Wednesday, are attached. WORK TRACK MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THESE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO THE CALL ON WEDNESDAY. The leadership team will officially open the consensus call on this topic following Wednesday's call. For more information on the consensus call process that will be followed, please see the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, Section 3.6:https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-18jun18-en.pdf [gnso.icann.org] [1]. 
> 
> If you need a dial out for the upcoming call or would like to send an apology, please email gnso-secs at icann.org. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> WT5 Co-Leads 
> 
> Annebeth Lange 
> 
> Javier Rua 
> 
> Olga Cavalli 
> 
> Martin Sutton 
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