[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [GAC] Action for WT5 Members - Definition of Geographic Terms

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Tue Jan 16 16:34:02 UTC 2018


Dear Jorge,
Thanks for yr swift reply,
Let us wait .
Note to Secretariat
By the way, where is our next meeting ?
Regards
Kavouss

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch> wrote:

> Dear Kavouss
>
>
>
> Thank you for your Email. Defining the geonames not covered by the 2012
> AGB that would merit being included under the new rules is one of the
> issues that would need to be further analyzed by wt5.
>
> For the time being I’m just pointing to this issue (which for the 2012
> round is IMO quite well-documented in the documentation that has so far
> been produced)-
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> *Von:* Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com]
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 16. Januar 2018 16:31
> *An:* Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>; Icann Gnso
> Newgtld Wg Wt5 <Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [GAC] Action for WT5 Members -
> Definition of Geographic Terms
>
>
>
> Dear Jorge,
>
> Thank you very much for the message.
>
> You have stated
>
> Quote:
>
> *·*         *However, problems in the application of the AGB 2012 related
> to geonames as Top Level Domains have arisen in relation to **those names
> with a geographic meaning/significance that were not covered under the 2012
> AGB rules **(we all know some examples that still are lingering today). I
> would therefore suggest, for the time being, that we include in this
> definition discussion, the notion that there were names with geographic
> meaning not covered by the 2012 AGB definitions and rules, which according
> to a factual analysis have given rise to problems, and that therefore a
> debate would be warranted, in order to include them under the definitions
> in a manner to be agreed upon, establishing a framework for mutually agreed
> outcomes amongst all interested parties in such applications.*
>
> *May you kindly provide the list of those  Geonames?*
>
> *Regards*
>
> *Kavouss *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:58 AM, <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch> wrote:
>
> Dear Martin and all,
>
>
>
> Due to the timing of tomorrow’s call I’m unsure if I will be able to make
> it.
>
>
>
> Please consider however the following input regarding the definitions
> mentioned in the 2012 AGB:
>
>
>
> ·         In general the definitions contained in the 2012 AGB have
> worked well according to the data I’m aware of (for instance the data
> circulated prior to the webinar organized in April last year).
>
>
>
> ·         However, problems in the application of the AGB 2012 related to
> geonames as Top Level Domains have arisen in relation to those names with a
> geographic meaning/significance that were not covered under the 2012 AGB
> rules (we all know some examples that still are lingering today). I would
> therefore suggest, for the time being, that we include in this definition
> discussion, the notion that there were names with geographic meaning not
> covered by the 2012 AGB definitions and rules, which according to a factual
> analysis have given rise to problems, and that therefore a debate would be
> warranted, in order to include them under the definitions in a manner to be
> agreed upon, establishing a framework for mutually agreed outcomes amongst
> all interested parties in such applications.
>
>
>
> Hope this is helpful
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Martin Sutton* <martin at brandregistrygroup.org>
> Date: 2018-01-08 19:11 GMT-03:00
> Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Action for WT5 Members - Definition of
> Geographic Terms
> To: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org>
>
> Dear WT5 Members,
>
>
>
> One of the key areas identified during the WT5 TOR discussions related to
> the definition of geographic terms. This will be a priority focus for us as
> we begin the substantive work in WT5 and has been highlighted in recent
> exchanges on the PDP WG mailing list. Defining geographic terms for the
> purpose of top-level domains will help us to frame our overall work within
> WT5.
>
>
>
> To ensure that all WT5 members are working from the same set of
> assumptions, we would like to have discussions about the working definition
> of geographic names at our next meeting on 17 Jan and request input from
> members prior to the call.
>
>
>
> If you are not familiar with the history and context of how the GNSO
> policies and Applicant Guidebook evolved in relation to geographic terms,
> the final report of the Cross Community Working Group Framework for the Use
> of Country and Territory Names as TLDs (CCWG-UCTN) provides a good
> background https://ccnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/
> field-attached/ccwg-ctn-final-paper-15jun17-en.pdf.
>
>
>
> The 2012 Applicant Guidebook states the following in relation to
> geographic terms:
>
>
>
> *2.2.1.4 Geographic Names Review*
>
> Applications for gTLD strings must ensure that appropriate consideration
> is given to the interests of governments or public authorities in
> geographic names. The requirements and procedure ICANN will follow in the
> evaluation process are described in the following paragraphs. Applicants
> should review these requirements even if they do not believe their intended
> gTLD string is a geographic name. All applied-for gTLD strings will be
> reviewed according to the requirements in this section, regardless of
> whether the application indicates it is for a geographic name.
>
> *2.2.1.4.1 Treatment of Country or Territory Names**6*
>
> Applications for strings that are country or territory names will not be
> approved, as they are not available under the New gTLD Program in this
> application round. A string shall be considered to be a country or
> territory name if:
>
>          i.            it is an alpha-3 code listed in the ISO 3166-1
> standard.
>
>         ii.            it is a long-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1
> standard, or a translation of the long-form name in any language.
>
>       iii.            it is a short-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1
> standard, or a translation of the short-form name in any language.
>
>       iv.            it is the short- or long-form name association with
> a code that has been designated as “exceptionally reserved” by the ISO 3166
> Maintenance Agency.
>
>        v.            it is a separable component of a country name
> designated on the “Separable Country Names List,” or is a translation of a
> name appearing on the list, in any language. See the Annex at the end of
> this module.
>
>       vi.            it is a permutation or transposition of any of the
> names included in items (i) through (v). Permutations include removal of
> spaces, insertion of punctuation, and addition or removal of grammatical
> articles like “the.” A transposition is considered a change in the sequence
> of the long or short–form name, for example, “RepublicCzech” or
> “IslandsCayman.”
>
> vii. it is a name by which a country is commonly known, as demonstrated by
> evidence that the country is recognized by that name by an
> intergovernmental or treaty organization.
>
> *2.2.1.4.2*
>
> *Geographic Names Requiring Government Support*
>
> The following types of applied-for strings are considered geographic names
> and must be accompanied by documentation of support or non-objection from
> the relevant governments or public authorities:
>
>    1. An application for any string that is a representation, in any
>    language, of the *capital city name *of any country or territory
>    listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard.
>    2. An application for a *city name*, where the applicant declares that
>    it intends to use the gTLD for purposes associated with the city name.
>
> City names present challenges because city names may also be generic terms
> or brand names, and in many cases city names are not unique. Unlike other
> types of geographic names, there are no established lists that can be used
> as objective references in the evaluation process. Thus, city names are not
> universally protected. However, the process does provide a means for cities
> and applicants to work together where desired.
>
> An application for a city name will be subject to the geographic names
> requirements (i.e., will require documentation of support or non-objection
> from the relevant governments or public authorities) if:
>
> (a) It is clear from applicant statements within the application that the
> applicant will use the TLD primarily for purposes associated with the city
> name; and
>
>   (b) The applied-for string is a city name as listed on official city
> documents.7
>
>    1. An application for any string that is an exact match of a *sub-national
>    place name*, such as a county, province, or state, listed in the ISO
>    3166-2 standard.
>    2. An application for a string listed as a UNESCO region8 or appearing
>    on the “Composition of macro geographical (continental) regions,
>    geographical sub-regions, and selected economic and other groupings” list.
>    9
>
> In the case of an application for a string appearing on either of the
> lists above, documentation of support will be required from at least 60% of
> the respective national governments in the region, and there may be no more
> than one written statement of objection to the application from relevant
> governments in the region and/or public authorities associated with the
> continent or the region.
>
> Where the 60% rule is applied, and there are common regions on both lists,
> the regional composition contained in the “Composition of macro
> geographical (continental) regions, geographical sub-regions, and selected
> economic and other groupings” takes precedence.
>
> An applied-for gTLD string that falls into any of 1 through 4 listed above
> is considered to represent a geographic name. In the event of any doubt, it
> is in the applicant’s interest to consult with relevant governments and
> public authorities and enlist their support or non-objection prior to
> submission of the application, in order to preclude possible objections and
> pre-address any ambiguities concerning the string and applicable
> requirements.
>
> Strings that include but do not match a geographic name (as defined in
> this section) will not be considered geographic names as defined by section
> 2.2.1.4.2, and therefore will not require documentation of government
> support in the evaluation process.
>
>
>
> 6 Country and territory names are excluded from the process based on
> advice from the Governmental Advisory Committee in recent communiqués
> providing interpretation of Principle 2.2 of the GAC Principles regarding
> New gTLDs to indicate that strings which are a meaningful representation or
> abbreviation of a country or territory name should be handled through the
> forthcoming ccPDP, and other geographic strings could be allowed in the
> gTLD space if in agreement with the relevant government or public
> authority.
>
> 7 City governments with concerns about strings that are duplicates,
> nicknames or close renderings of a city name should not rely on the
> evaluation process as the primary means of protecting their interests in a
> string. Rather, a government may elect to file a formal objection to an
> application that is opposed by the relevant community, or may submit its
> own application for the string.
>
> 8 *See *http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/worldwide/[unesco.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.unesco.org_new_en_unesco_worldwide_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=UAy6fqdE7uFkRCc7uzN4yui8bwTtqofadZHiQEIO1vw&m=xkyKkaMrpFHC2Y7bYkg2dZgFxuTEPoPOyK6Gp8VdOjo&s=BFlNnYVG3cWU8E7WYL8IM3sAhljIgoJIlNXg7FOY0ZE&e=>
> .
> 9 *See *http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm[
> unstats.un.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__unstats.un.org_unsd_methods_m49_m49regin.htm&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=UAy6fqdE7uFkRCc7uzN4yui8bwTtqofadZHiQEIO1vw&m=xkyKkaMrpFHC2Y7bYkg2dZgFxuTEPoPOyK6Gp8VdOjo&s=OUphKkFDZowCxK0Owp9DX4kk3oafMaWuFbNFUpKV-CE&e=>
> .
>
>
>
> *WT5 ACTION*
>
> For a potential new applicant guidebook, we need a consensus driven common
> understanding of geographic identifiers to provide clarity to potential
> applicants. We would like to gather input from WT5 members, specifically
> whether the current definition is fit for purpose or not.  If you think
> there should be changes, specify what these would be (additions, deletions)
> and the rationale for adding or removing any elements of the definition.
>
>
>
> *Please submit your comments, ideally by 15 Jan, to provide an opportunity
> to discuss the input during our next call. *
>
>
>
> To submit your comment, please use the following link to the document or
> submit via email specifying:
>
>
>
> 1. Contributor name
>
> 2. Addition/deletion/amendment to definition
>
> 3. Rationale to support the change
>
>
>
> This will then be added to the google doc which is available here (
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ooKmb576MQJvpHyDYOlJE3M2-
> Ssnv-SSgVfroT3D7Fc/edit?usp=sharing) for those that may wish to populate
> the document directly.  Please do not amend any other entries as this
> document will not track changes.
>
>
>
> We look forward to receiving your input.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> *WT5 Co-Leaders*
>
> Annebeth Lange
>
> Christopher Wilkinson
>
> Martin Sutton
>
> Olga Cavalli
>
>
>
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