[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 20:00 UTC

Susan Payne susan.payne at valideus.com
Wed May 16 21:23:16 UTC 2018


Agreed Greg
Christopher, you appear to be suggesting that the term “rock” since it happens to be the name of at least one small town in Cornwall, England, and possibly elsewhere, could not be used as a TLD by  geologists, landscapers, musicians, etc etc.  On what possible legal, or indeed policy, basis?  So no, you may not take that as agreed.


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From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan
Sent: 16 May 2018 21:46
To: lists at christopherwilkinson.eu Wilkinson <lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 20:00 UTC

Christopher wrote:


3.  The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)
There has been significant— repeated — objection to that proposition, so no, you may not take it that it is agreed in WT5.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.

Greg

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:39 PM lists at christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists at christopherwilkinson.eu> Wilkinson <lists at christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>> wrote:

Good afternoon:

With respect, this is the first time that I have perceived that in 2012, Geo-Names Review was different from the Geo-Names Panel. I shall try and get my head around that!

Meanwhile, it would clearly be an advantage to have a review function available for ALL Geo-related applications, up front, BEFORE applicants and the mechanisms spend time and money on the approval procedures.

I have already posted several comments that would significantly reduce the risks and uncertainties for Geo-Names applications. Pour Memoire:

1.  The application should be from an entity within the jurisdiction of the geo-name in question, and the proposed TLD Registry should be incorporated in that jurisdiction. There should not be any incorporations in third country tax havens.

2.  There should be strict limits on the number of TLDs that may be applied for by any one entity.

3.  The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)

Thus, these few, realistic, boundary conditions would considerably reduce the scope and frequency of disputes during applications and during implementation.

Regards

CW

PS:  Since all applications for Geo-Names should have received non-objection letters from the appropriate authorities, I might imagine that the scope for String Contention would be considerably reduced if not eliminated.






























El 16 de mayo de 2018 a las 12:44 Annebeth Lange <annebeth.lange at norid.no<mailto:annebeth.lange at norid.no>> escribió:

Dear all,



Liz is making a fair point here, that applicants should do their own due diligence in all aspects of their applications. However, if we in any way can make the application process easier and offer some advice, that can help the applicants in their due diligence process.



Annebeth





From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of "Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>" <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>>
Date: Wednesday, 16 May 2018 at 12:26
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 14:00 UTC



Dear Liz and all



I think it is a fair point that there is a clear distinction between the review panel and the advisory panel.



However, at the level of principle I feel that the experience and the added-value of the review panel had in the 2012 AGB round would probably be very helpful for applicants prior to filing their application – in the form of an (independent, expert) advisory body that would be at their disposal.



And as said, this would help applicants especially with those names with geographic significance not falling under the specific categories of the AGB and/or in difficult cases as some city names may be (where, as we have seen, there apparently are no comprehensive lists…).



Best



Jorge



Von: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Liz Williams
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Hello everyone



We need to be super careful here.  Firstly these are implementation details not policy principles although I appreciate efforts to resolve conflicts.



However, an evaluation panel has one function and that is to evaluate applications for all kinds of TLDs against a set of criteria.



It is unwise for it to have any other function, most particularly where there could be any cause for any conflict of interest with respect to any advisory role.  Applicants should do their own due diligence in all aspects of their applications.



No applications for any TLDs should be “hard cases” when application rules are clear, when evaluation takes place objectively and where contracting arrangements are known in advance with the production of a draft contract which is published along with the application materials.   If it takes us longer to get to consensus on the policy principles that guide those application rules then it is likely time well spent.



Liz

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On 16 May 2018, at 6:44 pm, Mazzone, Giacomo <mazzone at ebu.ch<mailto:mazzone at ebu.ch>> wrote:



Thank you Jorge.

This seems to be a very good idea, but we need first to be clear among us what will be the advice that such group will provide.

The need to arrive to a consensus on principles and criteria is primordial. Then of course –once we have clear guidelines- the case by case implementation could be very useful.

Giacomo



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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 14:00 UTC



Hi Jorge



This is a good idea. WT5 should work towards solutions that reduces conflicts. The more that can be done in advance to avoid complaints and litigation afterwards, the better.



Looking forward to hear other members view on this.



Kind regards

Annebeth



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16. mai 2018 kl. 09:28 skrev "Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>" <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>>:

Dear Emily



Thanks for the useful slides.



One question/suggestion which comes to my mind: there is a geographic names review as part of the initial evaluation, i.e. when the applicant already has made significant investments. What if, in addition to that review, the geographic names panel would also be available on an advisory basis during the application preparation phase? It could advise on hard/unclear cases and also on names with geographic significance not covered by the specific geonames categories/lists included in the AGB 2012, as well as help in identifying relevant public authorities (with help from ICANN Org and GAC Members if needed)…



Probably this would avoid a lot of headaches and unexpected issues when the application is already further down the road, and would allow for early contact with the relevant public authorities…



Hope this helps



Jorge









Von: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org] Im Auftrag von Emily Barabas
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Dear Work Track 5 Members,



Please find below the proposed agenda for the call on Wednesday 16 May at 14:00 UTC.



  1.  Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates
  2.  Administration/Capturing and Managing Input
  3.  Geographic Names Process Review
  4.  AOB



Slides for the call are attached for reference.



Kind regards,

Emily





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