[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Topic Follow-Up - Non-Capital City Names

[Sophie Hey]

Hi Katrin,

I am currently unaware of a list that could be used in Proposal 2 that does not face the issues I flagged. Hence why I support the current language in the AGB which states “Unlike other types of geographic names, there are no established lists that can be used as objective references in the evaluation process”.

Kind regards,
Sophie



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Subject: AW: Topic Follow-Up - Non-Capital City Names

Dar Sophie,

thank you for your feedback. Can you propose a list which does not face the potential issues you voiced?

Kind regards
Katrin


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Von: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org>> Im Auftrag von Sophie Hey
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Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Topic Follow-Up - Non-Capital City Names

Hi all,

I would just like to raise some concerns about proposal 2.

First, the statement that “established lists can be used as objective references in the evaluation process”. The text currently states in the AGB “Unlike other types of geographic names, there are no established lists that can be used as objective references in the evaluation process”. As I understand it, the existing AGB text is not saying that there are “no lists”, but rather no lists that can be used as an objective reference for evaluation purposes.

Second, my concern with the UN Demographic Yearbook list is that it is not intended to provide a comprehensive list of all cities. Rather, it is part of a publication setting out global statistics. This means that there are limitations on how the information in the publication (including Table 8) can be used. For example, the localities listed are not necessarily the actual name of the locality as where the names are not in the Roman alphabet, the names have been “romanized”. Further, to be included in the list, a locality must have a population more than 100,000 or be a capital city. While the list does recognise the different meaning of “city” in different countries and territories, the list does not distinguish which localities are cities, urban agglomerations, municipalities or another type of locality. This is in contrast to 2.2.1.4.2 part 2 referring to “non-capital cities”.

Given these factors, I am not comfortable including the UN Demographic Yearbook as anything more than a reference point for potential applicants.


Sophie Hey
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Valideus
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From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org>> On Behalf Of Emily Barabas
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Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Topic Follow-Up - Non-Capital City Names

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Dear Work Track 5 members,

This email follows up on agenda item 4 covered on this week’s WT5 call: Closure of Discussion on Non-Capital City Names (agenda, notes, recording and slides available here: https://community.icann.org/x/f6ujBg). This is a topic that has been discussed extensively over the last two years with many areas in which members have divergent opinions. This week, the Work Track considered updated versions of two final proposals that have been discussed on the mailing list. Both proposals offer what the Co-Leaders view as modest adjustments to the existing Applicant Guidebook text. Note that for proposal 2, the proposer has confirmed that the correct connector between sub-sections (a) and (b) is “AND.” See attached for reference.

If they have not already done so, WT members are encouraged to respond on-list about whether or not they believe they can support or accept the attached proposals. At this point, wordsmithing/redlining is strongly discouraged, especially if suggested edits fundamentally change the nature of the proposal. If the group comes to general agreement on one of the proposals, minor adjustments can be made to the text before finalizing recommendations if the group agrees.

Our discussion of non-capital city names at this stage are narrowly focused. Please do not re-open broad debates, re-state arguments already discussed, bring forward new proposals, or request new data/research. There has been ample opportunity over the last two years for the Work Track to discuss these issues and the Work Track is concluding its work. The task now is to see if the Work Track can reach agreement on these final proposals before closing discussion. As a reminder, if the Work Track cannot come to an agreement on a change to the 2012 Applicant Guidebook provisions, the status quo will remain.

We look forward to discussing your input on next week’s call and closing this discussion.

Kind regards,
WT5 Co-Leaders
Olga Cavalli, Annebeth Lange, Javier Rúa-Jovet, Martin Sutton


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