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<p>+1 Martin</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Dave<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/12/2017 14:09, Martin Sutton
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<div class="">Hi everyone,</div>
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Observing the email exchanges it seems we are diving into some of
the debates that will be resurfaced during the WT5 process. It
would be helpful if we could focus back on the primary action of
formulating the ToR scope before we begin to get into the deeper
discussions, which we can focus on later.
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<div class="">I applaud the enthusiasm of participants, please
don’t let that wain. Let’s make sure that enthusiasm and passion
is channeled in a positive and respectful way as we move forward
with our work, encouraging broad participation and an
appreciation of the different views brought to the group. </div>
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<div class="">On 1 Dec 2017, at 08:03, Arasteh <<a
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dear Sir
<div class="">Thanks </div>
<div class="">But there a course of action to be taken
seeking the views of the country when its heritage ,
history ,culture, social values, belief ,faits ,
names of its mountains, Tibet’s, legend dates, names
of its cuties, names of dynasties and and are to be
used.</div>
<div class="">Thus is a courtesy disciple which should
be followed.</div>
<div class="">Multistakeholder approach does not prevent
to do so</div>
<div class="">In almost all caves the agreement would be
granted . In relatively few caves, agreement would
also be granted with some conditions to respond to
those values.</div>
<div class="">What bothers me is there are a handful
number of people ( you joined them for the first time)
having a purely conservative behavior collectively and
collegiality criticized, attacked and sometimes
aggressive to the extent that it could implied that
it was a sort of repression ( dot talk )</div>
<div class="">Approach.</div>
<div class="">That is not admitted.</div>
<div class="">We should know that in this subject the
notion of « majority “ /“ minority “ does not apply
because the governments that are the stakeholder are
always in minority status vis a vis others</div>
<div class="">I hope you have properly interpreted the
fact mentioned.</div>
<div class="">Regards</div>
<div class="">Have a nice time</div>
<div class="">Kavouss </div>
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I respectfully agree with you that it is ‘only’
Heather’s views. I also respect Iran very much.
But unfortunately sovereignty cannot extend beyond
one's territory. Since ICANN and gTLD are trans
national issues sovereignty might not be able to
solve the problem - there will be 200 or more
sovereigns having their own assertions - a sure
recipe for chaos. And this is without the melee of
rights in personam and rem.
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<div class="">That’s why the ICANN Bylaws become
important and all stakeholders and managements
have to adopt that as the final word,
unequivocally.
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<div class="">On Nov 30, 2017, at 3:51 PM,
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<div class="">Dear Aslam</div>
<div class="">Thank for the paper</div>
<div class=""> However, it is simple
the views of Dr. Heather Frorest and
not more than that.</div>
<div class="">There are thousand of
this type of articles which all
reflect the views of their authors
and nothing more</div>
<div class="">Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov
30, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
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class="">S</span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:14pt"
class="">orry, Kavoush,
but I am not a famous
lawyer at all</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">As for your claim
to the “rights” to old
names – unless you can
cite some law that is
nothing more than a
claim. It is not at all
“obvious” to me that you
have any claim at all to
those names … and the
paper that Aslam cited
makes clear why this is
so.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">If the basis for
this discussion is going
to be Iranian claims that
it is “obvious” that they
are right this is going to
be a very short and
fruitless conversation. </span></p>
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class="">From:</span></b><span
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class=""> Arasteh
[mailto:<a
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<b class="">Sent:</b>
Thursday, November 30,
2017 3:20 PM<br
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<b class="">To:</b>
Paul Rosenzweig <<a
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<b class="">Cc:</b>
Greg Shatan <<a
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Aslam Mohamed <<a
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Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg
Wt5 <<a
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class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b>
Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Concerns on the WT5
Terms of Reference and
proposed expansion of
the scope of geo-names
to include other
concepts as well</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul </p>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">I
recognise you as one
of the most famous
well known lawyers in
the USA</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">You
may wish to consider
that for obvious thing
there is no to have «
so called «
international law</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">Customer
law which is the most
oldest and most
referenced law could
also be used as a
proper reference</p>
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<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">You
and none of your
supporter has a right
I et the Persepolis
Which is one of the
well known capital of
one of the most
ancient civilisation
Acamanech in
greater Iran</p>
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<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">No
person is authorised
to use the name in any
level without the co
sent of Iran</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">Whose
who have recognised
history understand
that</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss</p>
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On 30 Nov 2017, at
17:28, Paul
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class="">Indeed,
I would go
further – there
is no
international
law that I know
of that gives a
nation
“sovereign
rights” to place
names … I
invite you
Kavouss to point
me to any such
expression in
binding (or even
advisory)
international
law.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class=""> Greg
Shatan [<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr
class="">com</a>]
<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b>
Thursday,
November 30,
2017 11:18 AM<br
class="">
<b class="">To:</b>
Arasteh <<a
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b>
Aslam Mohamed
<<a
href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">aslam@rnaip.com</a>>;
Icann Gnso
Newgtld Wg Wt5
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr
class="">>;
Paul Rosenzweig
<<a
href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr
class="">redbranchconsulting.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b>
Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Concerns on the
WT5 Terms of
Reference and
proposed
expansion of the
scope of
geo-names to
include other
concepts as well</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Kavouss
has given us a
succinct
summary of one
view of the
“primacy
issue.” The
claim that
“there is no
primacy issue”
is in fact a
key part of
the primacy
issue (since
it really
means “there
is no issue if
you
acknowledge
the primacy of
governments”).</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
agree that we
all need to
express our
views freely.
However, I see
no attacks or
anything
offensive in
this thread.
Claims of
attacks or
offensive
behavior have
a a chilling
effect on the
free
expression of
views.
Furthermore,
the free
expression of
differing
views includes
(by
definition)
criticisms of
those views.
A request to
abstain from
criticism is a
request to
refrain from
dialogue.
Clearly,
that’s not
happening.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Of
course, under
the
multistakeholder
model, if
enough of the
members of
this group
support each
other’s views
that becomes
the consensus
result of this
WT and this
WG. In the
meantime those
views need to
be dealt with
in substance,
rather than
being
dismissed
without
consideration.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">There
are claims of
legitimate
rights on all
sides of the
issues here.
We will need
to weigh and
analyze the
basis of those
claims and
validity of
those claims,
and to
determine how
to balance the
contradictions
between
various
legitimate
rights.
Sovereignty is
no trump card,
especially
when stacked
against the
rule of law.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Thu, Nov 30,
2017 at 10:54
AM Arasteh
<<a
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="border-width:medium
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class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Dear
All</p>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">There
is no primacy
issue here.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">It
is the
sovereignty of
governments on
the names of
their cities,
rivers.
Historical
places,
religious holy
places legends
which must be
respected</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">There
should be a
respect to all
these and no
commercial
interests
shall
compromise
them</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">If
there is
supremacy on
the table it
does not come
from
governments
but it from
others that
which to
forced
governments to
give up their
national and
historical
heritage</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">You
can support
each other’s
as many time
as you wish
but that does
not deprive
any
governments
from its
legitimate
rights</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
need to
express our
views freely
without being
criticised ,
collectively
attacked and
ofended </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Tks </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Kavouss</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div
id="m_7958406047397678900m_7543640196716038051AppleMailSignature"
class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Sent
from my iPhone</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br class="">
On 30 Nov
2017, at
15:44, Paul
Rosenzweig
<<a
href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr
class="">redbranchconsulting.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"
class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
class="">Robin,
Greg and Aslam
are completely
correct. The
repeated
efforts by the
GAC to assert
primacy in the
development of
rules and
policies is
antithetical
to the very
concept of the
multi-stakeholder model. It is particularly necessary to be cautious
when GAC
primacy is
asserted in
support of
mandates and
authoritarian
models of
behavior.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
class=""> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
class="">Paul</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class=""> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class="">Paul
Rosenzweig</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class="">M:
<a
href="tel:%28202%29%20329-9650"
target="_blank" value="+12023299650" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">+1
(202) 329-9650</a></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class="">VOIP:
<a
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class=""> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b
class=""><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
class="">
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-<wbr
class="">bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b class="">On
Behalf Of </b>Greg
Shatan<br
class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b>
Thursday,
November 30,
2017 1:28 AM<br
class="">
<b class="">To:</b>
Aslam Mohamed
<<a
href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">aslam@rnaip.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b>
Icann Gnso
Newgtld Wg Wt5
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr
class="">><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b>
Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Concerns on
the WT5 Terms
of Reference
and proposed
expansion of
the scope of
geo-names to
include other
concepts as
well</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Robin;</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Thank
you very much
for your
thoughtful
comments, with
which I
wholeheartedly
agree.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">It
is important
for all
participants
to acknowledge
that the views
of each
participant
carry equal
weight and
each
participant
participates
on an equal
footing.
Characterizing
one
participant’s
comments as
“personal
views” seems
intended to be
dismissive.
All views here
are equally
“personal” as
all are
stakeholders.
This is not a
cyberspace
version of
“Animal Farm,”
where all
animals are
equal, but
some animals
are more equal
than others.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Similarly,
it’s important
for any
participant to
be cautious
about claiming
to speak for
other
stakeholders
without
express
authorization
to do so.
This can
appear to an
attempt to
inflate the
importance of
one’s own
views by
claiming they
are the views
of many. This
is not helpful
to genuine
dialogue,
especially in
conjunction
with attempts
to minimize
the views of
others.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
are each here
to represent
the views and
concerns of
the many in
our respective
stakeholder
communities
who do not and
cannot
participate
directly in
the ICANN
process. This
equivalency is
fundamentally
important to
the success of
the
multistakeholder
process.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Nov 29,
2017 at 2:59
PM Aslam
Mohamed <<a
href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com" target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">aslam@rnaip.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
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<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Dear
Kavouss </p>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
was quite
impressed by
your emphatic
advocacy for
GAC in Abu
Dhabi and I
see it
continues in
your comments
on ToR in the
mail trailed
below. However
I would like
to meet you
sometime or
offline and
till then
emphasize that
in a multi
stakeholder
forum like
ICANN, GAC
will have to
modify it’s
approach and
not seek GAC
primacy in the
decision
making
process. Hence
I would
suggest we
approach the
entire WT5
process in a
spirit that
GAC advice is
NOT binding on
the Board and
that the GAC
would accept
this position
as and when it
arises.</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b
class=""><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class="">Kind
Regards</span></b></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class=""> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b
class=""><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class="">Aslam
G Mohamed.
Advocate</span></b></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b
class=""><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class="">US
Business
Development</span></b></p>
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<div class="">
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style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class="">Mob <a
href="tel:+1%20646%20243%209857" target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">+1
646 243 9857</a></span></b></p>
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class="MsoNormal"><span
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</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class=""><br
class="">
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<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class=""><br
class="">
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Technology and
IP Attorneys </span></b></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b
class=""><span
style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt;" class=""><a
href="http://rnaip.com/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rnaip.com</a> </span></b></p>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<p
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<div class="">
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"
class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Nov 29, 2017,
at 2:29 PM,
Kavouss
Arasteh <<a
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<p
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<h3 class=""><span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-gd">Robin
Gross</span>
<span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-go"><a
href="https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en"
target="_blank"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">via</span></a> <a
href="http://icann.org/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">icann.org</a> </span></h3>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-g3">6:48
PM (1 hour
ago)</span>
</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-hb">Dear
All, I wish to
comment on
comments made
by Robin</span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-hb">to
</span><span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-g2">gnso-newgtld-w.</span><span
class="m_7958406047397678900m7543640196716038051m380318806956740215gmail-hb">
</span></p>
</div>
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class="MsoNormal"><img
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<div class="">
<div
id="m_7958406047397678900m_7543640196716038051m_380318806956740215gmail-:1ny"
class="">
<div
id="m_7958406047397678900m_7543640196716038051m_380318806956740215gmail-:1nn"
class="">
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
didn’t have
audio on last
night’s WT5
call, so
thought I’d
send my
comments
directly to
the list today
about the
proposed Terms
of Reference
revealed
yesterday.<br
class="">
<br class="">
<em class="">Paragraph
1: It is not
appropriate to
include an
“approval"
model as
something this
group will
make
recommendations
on, that
presumptively
moves away
from the model
that the GNSO
and Board
created in the
last round,
which
intentionally
and explicitly
did not
require a
permission-based
model for
names. It is
simply
inappropriate
for this
fundamental
policy change
to be
slipped-in to
the Terms of
Reference
before we
begin our
work. We
would be
ill-advised to
“put the cart
before the
horse”, but
this bracketed
language does
exactly that.</em><br
class="">
<br class="">
<span
style="color:blue"
class="">Reply</span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:blue" class="">This is your views, </span>
</p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:blue" class="">Views of many GAC MEMBER<em class="">
</em>is
entirely <em
class="">in
line with
draft </em>The
course of
action
mentioned by
the Board is
before 2016
there were two
procedure
either seeking
agreement or
apply the
mitigation.
Several GAC<em
class="">
</em>members
opposed to the
second option
<em class="">.There
are</em> <em
class="">
several GAC
ADVICE IN THIS
REGARD</em></span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><em
class=""><span
style="color:blue" class=""> .</span></em></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><em
class="">Paragraph
2: Regulating
"names with a
cultural
significance"
and "names
with economic
significance"
are outside
the scope of
this PDP.
This is a PDP
regarding
geo-names, so
adding-on two
additional
types of names
into the ToR
is an
inappropriate
expansion of
the scope of
this group’s
mandate.
Let’s focus
on defining
what
“geo-names”
are, rather
than including
other concepts
into the ToR
-- that are
geo-names.
This PDP was
set-up to work
on geo-names,
the chartering
organizations
agreed to
participate
under the
understanding
that it would
be limited to
geo-names, so
we need to
stick to our
mandate and
our agreement
in setting up
the WT</em></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:blue" class="">Again this is your personal views as many
GAC members
associate
crucial
importance to
these two
criteria
<br class="">
</span><br
class="">
While I
support giving
significant
consideration
to risks in
our analysis,
let's flesh
this concept
out more and
also include
benefits in
the analysis,
rather than
being
singularly
focused on
risks. We are
in danger of
having a
wholly
“negative”
analysis that
won’t consider
“positives” as
well. We may
wish to
recognize that
some risks are
worth taking
and consider
some element
of a
risk-to-benefit
analysis in
order to be
more complete
in our own
evaluation.
Our analysis
should
recognize that
some issues
create risks
to one part of
ICANN
community
while
simultaneously
creating
benefits to
other parts of
the ICANN
community — we
need to
consider how
we will handle
such mixed
outcomes and
viewpoints in
our analysis.
So I think
this can be a
highly useful
approach, but
needs to be
fleshed out,
balanced, and
nuanced a bit
further in
light of the
complexities.<br
class="">
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style="color:blue" class="">Reply</span></em></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><em
class=""><span
style="color:blue" class="">While I disagree to start with risk based
approach at
the begining
of the process
, I disagree
with you
catégorisions
it as negative</span></em></p>
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class="">Regards</em></p>
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<p
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Nov 29,
2017 at 7:56
PM, Martin
Sutton <<a
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a><wbr
class="">>
wrote:</p>
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Robin, </p>
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<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Thank
you for
sending
through your
comments. We
will combine
your comments
on the ToR
with those
provided on
the call and
subsequent
submissions
from WT5
members, so we
can review on
next week’s
call.</p>
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<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal">Regarding
the risk
approach, I
over-simplified
the slides in
order to focus
attention on
drawing out
the risks as a
primary goal
before leading
us into
assessing the
risks. At
that stage we
must look at
whether the
risks
themselves
warrant any
specific
controls
(beyond the
monitoring and
enforcement
mechanisms for
a live
registry) and
how these
could impact
any positive
elements of
enabling new
gTLDs relating
to geographic
terms. This is
an important
aspect of the
process and
needs to
balance the
risks we are
concerned
about with the
level of
controls
applied. Back
to my physics
days, every
action has an
equal and
opposite
reaction - so
as we move the
dial of
controls, we
do need to
appreciate the
impact of such
changes with
the aim of
achieving an
acceptable
balance. I
should have
made that
clearer and I
note that some
of the
comments in
the chat I
have
subsequently
read picked up
on this point
as well.</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Kind
regards,</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Martin</p>
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<p
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class="">Martin
Sutton</span></b></p>
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class="">Executive
Director</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;font-size:9pt"
class="">Brand
Registry Group</span></p>
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<p
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29 Nov 2017,
at 17:48,
Robin Gross
<<a
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">I
didn’t have
audio on last
night’s WT5
call, so
thought I’d
send my
comments
directly to
the list today
about the
proposed Terms
of Reference
revealed
yesterday.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Paragraph 1:
It is not
appropriate to
include an
“approval"
model as
something this
group will
make
recommendations
on, that
presumptively
moves away
from the model
that the GNSO
and Board
created in the
last round,
which
intentionally
and explicitly
did not
require a
permission-based
model for
names. It is
simply
inappropriate
for this
fundamental
policy change
to be
slipped-in to
the Terms of
Reference
before we
begin our
work. We
would be
ill-advised to
“put the cart
before the
horse”, but
this bracketed
language does
exactly that.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Paragraph 2:
Regulating
"names with a
cultural
significance"
and "names
with economic
significance"
are outside
the scope of
this PDP.
This is a PDP
regarding
geo-names, so
adding-on two
additional
types of names
into the ToR
is an
inappropriate
expansion of
the scope of
this group’s
mandate.
Let’s focus
on defining
what
“geo-names”
are, rather
than including
other concepts
into the ToR
-- that are
geo-names.
This PDP was
set-up to work
on geo-names,
the chartering
organizations
agreed to
participate
under the
understanding
that it would
be limited to
geo-names, so
we need to
stick to our
mandate and
our agreement
in setting up
the WT.
<br class="">
<br class="">
While I
support giving
significant
consideration
to risks in
our analysis,
let's flesh
this concept
out more and
also include
benefits in
the analysis,
rather than
being
singularly
focused on
risks. We are
in danger of
having a
wholly
“negative”
analysis that
won’t consider
“positives” as
well. We may
wish to
recognize that
some risks are
worth taking
and consider
some element
of a
risk-to-benefit
analysis in
order to be
more complete
in our own
evaluation.
Our analysis
should
recognize that
some issues
create risks
to one part of
ICANN
community
while
simultaneously
creating
benefits to
other parts of
the ICANN
community — we
need to
consider how
we will handle
such mixed
outcomes and
viewpoints in
our analysis.
So I think
this can be a
highly useful
approach, but
needs to be
fleshed out,
balanced, and
nuanced a bit
further in
light of the
complexities.<br
class="">
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