<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Javier and all colleagues….<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nothing bad in the words you voiced. A Balance is important for the Geonames. Bottom up is the very basis of what PDPs are into. Geonames from its very start has been controversial in many terms because every one wants to stick to where they stand. Many WG / WT are having the same kind of articulation and issues. These are because some feel they have a direct right and some cannot budge because they feel they need to. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The importance at the base is where do we strike the balance. Am not going to comment on some Geonames that has been blocking ICANN Org to move forward in the decision process. One thing for sure is going to happen and i cannot say no to those real issues where ccTLD are a problem privately owned creating issues that needs solutions and sometimes even over costly. The Geonames may turn to be a solution for certain government where ccTLDs have been and issue and will continue for a longer time to come. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So the question is where would the balance be so that we can help ICANN org move forward in the decision process. WT5 has been created to see that as a group we describe the terms and look at the issues and come up with probable solutions. This WT has grinded a lot of people from various scope. Intellectual property evangelist/lawyers, who also have a right where intellectual property is important, on the other hand you have Governments who wants certain names as well they are and may be right as well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At the end we cannot have a committee that goes on for years. I assume we have a time line and i would surely urge all to work in collaboration and find the right balance. It will not be easy but i would wish all colleagues here to see through the important lines and not be seated on our positions without seeing through solutions. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let’s get things moving else in 10 years time we will still be sitting here. I am not taking sides but it is important we respect each others views and be humble and listen and make positive comments that would move all forward.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kris</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 1, 2017, at 18:29, Javier Rua <<a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com" class="">javrua@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">I agree with Carlos Raúl on this. </span><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">I’ve been hesitant to opine in the thread since I’m</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">new here, and thought imprudent adding to what I</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">perceived as mounting tension. </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">However, I also find this topic very interesting </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">and I don’t want to miss my chance to say what I</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">wanted to say, now that the “international law” issue could not be touched upon in </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">a new thread.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So here’s my comment: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">As ICANN’s Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws establish that ICANN shall carry out its activities “in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law” and considering that general customary law and some treaties (e.g. ICCPR Art. 27) promote and protect the rights of persons belonging to national or ethnic, religious and linguistic minorities, I tend to support Carlos Raúl’s instinct, that perhaps a wider International Law is possibly at relevant play here, beyond merely the (very important) law of sovereignty: in our ideal borderless, single, interoperable Internet, we must always pay due regard to a) trying to move away from purely political/governmental borders; and</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">b) boosting cultural and linguistic diversity and understanding. </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">If we can strike a balance in the ToR & scope that takes those elements into account, I feel that would be positive.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="">Regards,</div><br class=""><div class="">Javier Rúa-Jovet<div class="">ALAC</div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">+1-787-396-6511</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">twitter: @javrua</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">skype: javier.rua1</span></div><div class=""><font style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class=""><br class="">On Dec 1, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se" class="">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><p class="">Dear Kavouss,</p><p class=""><br class=""></p><p class="">I refer to your single email hereunder, and fully support your perception that this thread can be misinterpreted as a continuous attack on GAC. I request the Chairs to consider summarizing the real GeoNames related arguments to date, and start a new one</p><p class=""><br class=""></p><p class="">Carlos Raul Gutierrez</p>
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<div class="">Pls note that I do not accept continuous attack to GAC and accusing people to look for supremacy</div>
<div class="">Pls kindly note the the governments the names if their cities, rivets, mountains, historical monuments. The belief of their people, their cultures, their traditions, their dignities, their legends, their glorious past are at stake be continuously attacked , aggressors, harassed and offended by some conservatives</div>
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Observing the email exchanges it seems we are diving into some of the debates that will be resurfaced during the WT5 process. It would be helpful if we could focus back on the primary action of formulating the ToR scope before we begin to get into the deeper discussions, which we can focus on later.
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<div class="">I applaud the enthusiasm of participants, please don't let that wain. Let's make sure that enthusiasm and passion is channeled in a positive and respectful way as we move forward with our work, encouraging broad participation and an appreciation of the different views brought to the group. </div>
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<div class="">On 1 Dec 2017, at 08:03, Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">But there a course of action to be taken seeking the views of the country when its heritage , history ,culture, social values, belief ,faits , names of its mountains, Tibet's, legend dates, names of its cuties, names of dynasties and and are to be used.</div>
<div class="">Thus is a courtesy disciple which should be followed.</div>
<div class="">Multistakeholder approach does not prevent to do so</div>
<div class="">In almost all caves the agreement would be granted . In relatively few caves, agreement would also be granted with some conditions to respond to those values.</div>
<div class="">What bothers me is there are a handful number of people ( you joined them for the first time) having a purely conservative behavior collectively and collegiality criticized, attacked and sometimes aggressive to the extent that it could implied that it was a sort of repression ( dot talk )</div>
<div class="">Approach.</div>
<div class="">That is not admitted.</div>
<div class="">We should know that in this subject the notion of « majority " /" minority " does not apply because the governments that are the stakeholder are always in minority status vis a vis others</div>
<div class="">I hope you have properly interpreted the fact mentioned.</div>
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I respectfully agree with you that it is 'only' Heather's views. I also respect Iran very much. But unfortunately sovereignty cannot extend beyond one's territory. Since ICANN and gTLD are trans national issues sovereignty might not be able to solve the problem - there will be 200 or more sovereigns having their own assertions - a sure recipe for chaos. And this is without the melee of rights in personam and rem.
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<div class=""> However, it is simple the views of Dr. Heather Frorest and not more than that.</div>
<div class="">There are thousand of this type of articles which all reflect the views of their authors and nothing more</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <span class=""> <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I agree that we all need to express our views freely. However, I see no attacks or anything offensive in this thread. Claims of attacks or offensive behavior have a a chilling effect on the free expression of views. Furthermore, the free expression of differing views includes (by definition) criticisms of those views. A request to abstain from criticism is a request to refrain from dialogue. Clearly, that's not happening.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Of course, under the multistakeholder model, if enough of the members of this group support each other's views that becomes the consensus result of this WT and this WG. In the meantime those views need to be dealt with in substance, rather than being dismissed without consideration.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">There are claims of legitimate rights on all sides of the issues here. We will need to weigh and analyze the basis of those claims and validity of those claims, and to determine how to balance the contradictions between various legitimate rights. Sovereignty is no trump card, especially when stacked against the rule of law.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">It is the sovereignty of governments on the names of their cities, rivers. Historical places, religious holy places legends which must be respected<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If there is supremacy on the table it does not come from governments but it from others that which to forced governments to give up their national and historical heritage<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">You can support each other's as many time as you wish but that does not deprive any governments from its legitimate rights<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">We need to express our views freely without being criticised , collectively attacked and ofended <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I was quite impressed by your emphatic advocacy for GAC in Abu Dhabi and I see it continues in your comments on ToR in the mail trailed below. However I would like to meet you sometime or offline and till then emphasize that in a multi stakeholder forum like ICANN, GAC will have to modify it's approach and not seek GAC primacy in the decision making process. Hence I would suggest we approach the entire WT5 process in a spirit that GAC advice is NOT binding on the Board and that the GAC would accept this position as and when it arises.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: blue;" class="">Again this is your personal views as many GAC members associate crucial importance to these two criteria <br class=""> </span><br class=""> While I support giving significant consideration to risks in our analysis, let's flesh this concept out more and also include benefits in the analysis, rather than being singularly focused on risks. We are in danger of having a wholly "negative" analysis that won't consider "positives" as well. We may wish to recognize that some risks are worth taking and consider some element of a risk-to-benefit analysis in order to be more complete in our own evaluation. Our analysis should recognize that some issues create risks to one part of ICANN community while simultaneously creating benefits to other parts of the ICANN community — we need to consider how we will handle such mixed outcomes and viewpoints in our analysis. So I think this can be a highly useful approach, but needs to be fleshed out, balanced, and nuanced a bit further in light of the complexities.<br class=""> <em class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">Reply</span></em><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the risk approach, I over-simplified the slides in order to focus attention on drawing out the risks as a primary goal before leading us into assessing the risks. At that stage we must look at whether the risks themselves warrant any specific controls (beyond the monitoring and enforcement mechanisms for a live registry) and how these could impact any positive elements of enabling new gTLDs relating to geographic terms. This is an important aspect of the process and needs to balance the risks we are concerned about with the level of controls applied. Back to my physics days, every action has an equal and opposite reaction - so as we move the dial of controls, we do need to appreciate the impact of such changes with the aim of achieving an acceptable balance. I should have made that clearer and I note that some of the comments in the chat I have subsequently read picked up on this point as well.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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