<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+1 on that Martin <br class=""><div style=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 1, 2017, at 14:09, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" class="">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Observing the email exchanges it seems we are diving into some of the debates that will be resurfaced during the WT5 process. It would be helpful if we could focus back on the primary action of formulating the ToR scope before we begin to get into the deeper
discussions, which we can focus on later.
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<div class="">I applaud the enthusiasm of participants, please don’t let that wain. Let’s make sure that enthusiasm and passion is channeled in a positive and respectful way as we move forward with our work, encouraging broad participation and an appreciation
of the different views brought to the group. </div>
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<div class="">On 1 Dec 2017, at 08:03, Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">But there a course of action to be taken seeking the views of the country when its heritage , history ,culture, social values, belief ,faits , names of its mountains, Tibet’s, legend dates, names of its cuties, names of dynasties and and are
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<div class="">Thus is a courtesy disciple which should be followed.</div>
<div class="">Multistakeholder approach does not prevent to do so</div>
<div class="">In almost all caves the agreement would be granted . In relatively few caves, agreement would also be granted with some conditions to respond to those values.</div>
<div class="">What bothers me is there are a handful number of people ( you joined them for the first time) having a purely conservative behavior collectively and collegiality criticized, attacked and sometimes aggressive to the extent that it could implied
that it was a sort of repression ( dot talk )</div>
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<div class="">That is not admitted.</div>
<div class="">We should know that in this subject the notion of « majority “ /“ minority “ does not apply because the governments that are the stakeholder are always in minority status vis a vis others</div>
<div class="">I hope you have properly interpreted the fact mentioned.</div>
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<div class="">Have a nice time</div>
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I respectfully agree with you that it is ‘only’ Heather’s views. I also respect Iran very much. But unfortunately sovereignty cannot extend beyond one's territory. Since ICANN and gTLD are trans national issues sovereignty might not be able to solve the problem
- there will be 200 or more sovereigns having their own assertions - a sure recipe for chaos. And this is without the melee of rights in personam and rem.
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<div class="">That’s why the ICANN Bylaws become important and all stakeholders and managements have to adopt that as the final word, unequivocally.
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<div class=""> However, it is simple the views of Dr. Heather Frorest and not more than that.</div>
<div class="">There are thousand of this type of articles which all reflect the views of their authors and nothing more</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <span dir="ltr" class="">
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<div class="m_7958406047397678900WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">S</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:14pt" class="">orry, Kavoush, but I am not a famous lawyer at all<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:14pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:14pt" class="">As for your claim to the “rights” to old names – unless you can cite some law that is nothing more than a claim. It is not at all “obvious” to
me that you have any claim at all to those names … and the paper that Aslam cited makes clear why this is so.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:14pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:14pt" class="">If the basis for this discussion is going to be Iranian claims that it is “obvious” that they are right this is going to be a very short and fruitless
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<b class="">Cc:</b> Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>; Aslam Mohamed <<a href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com" target="_blank" class="">aslam@rnaip.com</a>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr class="">></span></p>
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Concerns on the WT5 Terms of Reference and proposed expansion of the scope of geo-names to include other concepts as well<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I recognise you as one of the most famous well known lawyers in the USA<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">You may wish to consider that for obvious thing there is no to have « so called « international law<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">You and none of your supporter has a right I et the Persepolis Which is one of the well known capital of one of the most ancient civilisation Acamanech in greater Iran<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">No person is authorised to use the name in any level without the co sent of Iran<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Whose who have recognised history understand that<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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On 30 Nov 2017, at 17:28, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank" class="">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr class="">redbranchconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">Indeed, I would go further – there is no international law that I know of that gives a nation “sovereign rights” to place names … I invite you
Kavouss to point me to any such expression in binding (or even advisory) international law.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">Paul</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">Paul Rosenzweig</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">M:
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<b class="">Cc:</b> Aslam Mohamed <<a href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com" target="_blank" class="">aslam@rnaip.com</a>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr class="">>;
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I agree that we all need to express our views freely. However, I see no attacks or anything offensive in this thread. Claims of attacks or offensive behavior have a a chilling effect on the free expression of views. Furthermore, the
free expression of differing views includes (by definition) criticisms of those views. A request to abstain from criticism is a request to refrain from dialogue. Clearly, that’s not happening.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Of course, under the multistakeholder model, if enough of the members of this group support each other’s views that becomes the consensus result of this WT and this WG. In the meantime those views need to be dealt with in substance, rather
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">There are claims of legitimate rights on all sides of the issues here. We will need to weigh and analyze the basis of those claims and validity of those claims, and to determine how to balance the contradictions between various legitimate
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:54 AM Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">There is no primacy issue here.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">It is the sovereignty of governments on the names of their cities, rivers. Historical places, religious holy places legends which must be respected<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">There should be a respect to all these and no commercial interests shall compromise them<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If there is supremacy on the table it does not come from governments but it from others that which to forced governments to give up their national and historical heritage<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">You can support each other’s as many time as you wish but that does not deprive any governments from its legitimate rights<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">We need to express our views freely without being criticised , collectively attacked and ofended <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Tks <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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On 30 Nov 2017, at 15:44, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank" class="">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr class="">redbranchconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Robin, Greg and Aslam are completely correct. The repeated efforts by the GAC to assert primacy in the development of rules and policies is antithetical to the
very concept of the multi-stakeholder model. It is particularly necessary to be cautious when GAC primacy is asserted in support of mandates and authoritarian models of behavior.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Paul</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">Paul Rosenzweig</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">M:
<a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" target="_blank" value="+12023299650" class="">+1 (202) 329-9650</a></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">VOIP:
<a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" target="_blank" value="+12027381739" class="">+1 (202) 738 1739</a></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class=""> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-<wbr class="">bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:28 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Aslam Mohamed <<a href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com" target="_blank" class="">aslam@rnaip.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr class="">><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Concerns on the WT5 Terms of Reference and proposed expansion of the scope of geo-names to include other concepts as well</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments, with which I wholeheartedly agree.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">It is important for all participants to acknowledge that the views of each participant carry equal weight and each participant participates on an equal footing. Characterizing one participant’s comments as “personal views” seems intended
to be dismissive. All views here are equally “personal” as all are stakeholders. This is not a cyberspace version of “Animal Farm,” where all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Similarly, it’s important for any participant to be cautious about claiming to speak for other stakeholders without express authorization to do so. This can appear to an attempt to inflate the importance of one’s own views by claiming
they are the views of many. This is not helpful to genuine dialogue, especially in conjunction with attempts to minimize the views of others.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">We are each here to represent the views and concerns of the many in our respective stakeholder communities who do not and cannot participate directly in the ICANN process. This equivalency is fundamentally important to the success of the
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:59 PM Aslam Mohamed <<a href="mailto:aslam@rnaip.com" target="_blank" class="">aslam@rnaip.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I was quite impressed by your emphatic advocacy for GAC in Abu Dhabi and I see it continues in your comments on ToR in the mail trailed below. However I would like to meet you sometime or offline and till then emphasize that in a multi
stakeholder forum like ICANN, GAC will have to modify it’s approach and not seek GAC primacy in the decision making process. Hence I would suggest we approach the entire WT5 process in a spirit that GAC advice is NOT binding on the Board and that the GAC would
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I didn’t have audio on last night’s WT5 call, so thought I’d send my comments directly to the list today about the proposed Terms of Reference revealed yesterday.<br class="">
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<em class="">Paragraph 1: It is not appropriate to include an “approval" model as something this group will make recommendations on, that presumptively moves away from the model that the GNSO and Board created in the last round, which intentionally and explicitly
did not require a permission-based model for names. It is simply inappropriate for this fundamental policy change to be slipped-in to the Terms of Reference before we begin our work. We would be ill-advised to “put the cart before the horse”, but this bracketed
language does exactly that.</em><br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue" class="">Views of many GAC MEMBER<em class="">
</em>is entirely <em class="">in line with draft </em>The course of action mentioned by the Board is before 2016 there were two procedure either seeking agreement or apply the mitigation. Several GAC<em class="">
</em>members opposed to the second option <em class="">.There are</em> <em class="">
several GAC ADVICE IN THIS REGARD</em></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><em class="">Paragraph 2: Regulating "names with a cultural significance" and "names with economic significance" are outside the scope of this PDP. This is a PDP regarding geo-names, so adding-on two additional types of names into the
ToR is an inappropriate expansion of the scope of this group’s mandate. Let’s focus on defining what “geo-names” are, rather than including other concepts into the ToR -- that are geo-names. This PDP was set-up to work on geo-names, the chartering organizations
agreed to participate under the understanding that it would be limited to geo-names, so we need to stick to our mandate and our agreement in setting up the WT</em><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue" class="">Again this is your personal views as many GAC members associate crucial importance to these two criteria
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While I support giving significant consideration to risks in our analysis, let's flesh this concept out more and also include benefits in the analysis, rather than being singularly focused on risks. We are in danger of having a wholly “negative” analysis
that won’t consider “positives” as well. We may wish to recognize that some risks are worth taking and consider some element of a risk-to-benefit analysis in order to be more complete in our own evaluation. Our analysis should recognize that some issues
create risks to one part of ICANN community while simultaneously creating benefits to other parts of the ICANN community — we need to consider how we will handle such mixed outcomes and viewpoints in our analysis. So I think this can be a highly useful approach,
but needs to be fleshed out, balanced, and nuanced a bit further in light of the complexities.<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><em class=""><span style="color:blue" class="">While I disagree to start with risk based approach at the begining of the process , I disagree with you catégorisions it as negative</span></em><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" target="_blank" class="">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a><wbr class="">> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the risk approach, I over-simplified the slides in order to focus attention on drawing out the risks as a primary goal before leading us into assessing the risks. At that stage we must look at whether the risks themselves warrant
any specific controls (beyond the monitoring and enforcement mechanisms for a live registry) and how these could impact any positive elements of enabling new gTLDs relating to geographic terms. This is an important aspect of the process and needs to balance
the risks we are concerned about with the level of controls applied. Back to my physics days, every action has an equal and opposite reaction - so as we move the dial of controls, we do need to appreciate the impact of such changes with the aim of achieving
an acceptable balance. I should have made that clearer and I note that some of the comments in the chat I have subsequently read picked up on this point as well.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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Paragraph 1: It is not appropriate to include an “approval" model as something this group will make recommendations on, that presumptively moves away from the model that the GNSO and Board created in the last round, which intentionally and explicitly did not
require a permission-based model for names. It is simply inappropriate for this fundamental policy change to be slipped-in to the Terms of Reference before we begin our work. We would be ill-advised to “put the cart before the horse”, but this bracketed
language does exactly that.<br class="">
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Paragraph 2: Regulating "names with a cultural significance" and "names with economic significance" are outside the scope of this PDP. This is a PDP regarding geo-names, so adding-on two additional types of names into the ToR is an inappropriate expansion
of the scope of this group’s mandate. Let’s focus on defining what “geo-names” are, rather than including other concepts into the ToR -- that are geo-names. This PDP was set-up to work on geo-names, the chartering organizations agreed to participate under
the understanding that it would be limited to geo-names, so we need to stick to our mandate and our agreement in setting up the WT.
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While I support giving significant consideration to risks in our analysis, let's flesh this concept out more and also include benefits in the analysis, rather than being singularly focused on risks. We are in danger of having a wholly “negative” analysis that
won’t consider “positives” as well. We may wish to recognize that some risks are worth taking and consider some element of a risk-to-benefit analysis in order to be more complete in our own evaluation. Our analysis should recognize that some issues create
risks to one part of ICANN community while simultaneously creating benefits to other parts of the ICANN community — we need to consider how we will handle such mixed outcomes and viewpoints in our analysis. So I think this can be a highly useful approach,
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