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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Per request of Jeff I am sending this answer to the WT5 email address!<br><br>I think we are mixing up stuff here. Nobody (especially not the gNSO or ICANN) wants or can “dictate” anybody how to operate a city gTLD applicant/registry – with the (implied) sole exception of the city government that has to grant the letter of non-objection.<br><br>And that is the beauty of the chosen approval model: not ICANN decides who shall operate a city-gTLD but the representatives of the city; on the basis of the operation model brought forward by the applicant. In fact this is the old fashioned “beauty contest” – but outsourced to the city government! And that makes sense: you want that the city is evaluating the model and choses the one that is in the best interest of the CITY – not that some backroom auction winner takes over the city’s online identity.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Alexander<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Neuman<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 03, 2018 3:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; theo geurts <gtheo@xs4all.nl>; Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>; Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose">Thanks Michele, Theo, Kavouss, Vanda and Christopher. <o:p></o:p></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Seems like we have a cross over of issues here between the overall group and the new Work Track 5. I would encourage overall discussions on business models to stay within this mailing list, but remove any issues on geographic names to Work Track 5 when we get into the substance. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thus, the issue of whether business models of registries in general or within some “categories” of TLDs should be explored here. But whether TLDs that coincide with geographic names should or should not be of a certain business model, should be discussed within Work Track 5.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The reason is not to stifle discussion, but I note that not all of the participants of Work Track 5 are in fact participants in this overall group. I want to make sure that all Work Track 5 participants see all discussions that relate to “geographic names” <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Jeffrey J. 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Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>; Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I’d also be quite concerned about dictating the business models of a registry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Looking at the new TLDs that have launched to date (there are still quite a few that haven’t), the more flexible they are in terms of their business models the better and more sustainable they are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I also wonder why anyone would think that mandating “non-profit” is viable or what that’s even based on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'><a href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black'>Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of theo geurts <<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday 1 January 2018 at 21:14<br><b>To: </b>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>, Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><br>I think we are overstepping the scope of the WG here. Is this WG going to decide on business models? If that is the case, I think this WG should inform the GNSO and make sure we are within scope. <br><br>Thanks, <br><br>Theo Geurts<br><br>Theo <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>On 1-1-2018 21:19, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>Dear All, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>First of all Happy new years to all .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>While I agree with Christopher and Vanda ,in principle , however, this should be further explored and discussed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rubens Kuhl <</span><a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE>rubensk@nic.br</span></a><span lang=EN-IE>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>Vanda, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>I believe Katrin and Maxim were disagreeing with Christopher; just for clarity, do you believe that GeoTLDs should be required to be non-profit operations and have registration restrictions (like Christopher suggested) or to not have any of such requirements (like Katrin and Maxim suggested) ? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='color:#888888'>Rubens<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>Em 28 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:52:000, Vanda Scartezini <</span><a href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE>vanda@scartezini.org</span></a><span lang=EN-IE>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Totally agree with Christopher, the cities in my country are not to intend to be not for profit </span><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Vanda Scartezini <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sorry for typos <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>On 28 Dec 2017, at 11:11, Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON GmbH <</span><a href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.com" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>ohlmer@dotzon.com</span></a><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;word-spacing:0px'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE>+1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-IE>BG,<br>Katrin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>DOTZON GmbH - digital identities for tomorrow<br>Akazienstrasse 28<br>10823 Berlin<br>Deutschland - Germany<br>Tel: </span><a href="tel:+49%2030%2049802722" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>+49 30 49802722</span></a><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>Fax: </span><a href="tel:+49%2030%2049802727" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>+49 30 49802727</span></a><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>Mobile: </span><a href="tel:+49%20173%202019240" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>+49 173 2019240</span></a><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.consulting" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'>ohlmer@dotzon.consulting</span></a><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br></span><a href="http://www.dotzon.consulting/" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'>www.dotzon.consulting</span></a><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br></span><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>DOTZON GmbH<br>Registergericht: Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg, HRB 118598<br>Geschäftsführer: Katrin Ohlmer<br>Sitz der Gesellschaft: Akazienstrasse 28, 10823 Berlin</span><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-IE>Von:</span></b><span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-IE> </span></span><span lang=EN-IE>Gnso-newgtld-wg [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-IE style='color:purple'>mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span lang=EN-IE>]<span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span></b>Maxim Alzoba<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span>Donnerstag, 28.<span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span></span>Dezember 2017 08:05<br><b>An:</b><span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=m1144979958401643495apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>