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<div class="">The first is that everyone on the WT has an obligation to have read all the materials that are relevant to the work, use all of the links and information that the ICANN staff so helpfully put together and then come prepared to discuss the agenda
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<div class="">Yes the AGB might be a start point but I think we know that already. It is not, however, a convenient fall back position in the face of lack of consensus on matters of policy and then implementation. That only embeds a flawed system and would
be a less than ideal way of proceeding, repeating known mistakes and accepting the status quo which was and is far from optimal. </div>
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<div class="">Martin Sutton has done some work on a risk analysis methodology. I will reach out to him to see if we can come up with a matrix of issues and problems in an easier to read format as some of us may be struggling with the volume of material and
remembering where to find things. This will only be for this WT but it could, of course, be used more broadly in other tracks.</div>
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<div class="">On 4 Jan 2018, at 2:51 pm, Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" class="">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A good portion of participants in the WT5 have participated in PDP processes since ages; e.g. since 2006 for the first AG! Others however have never participated in any PDP – not even
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Having this inhomogeneity of previous knowledge and experience in mind I think it is fair to assume that the 2012 AG is our “basis”. The very reason we conduct a new PDP is that we are in acknowledgement that it deserves “change”. And for exactly the reasons
that you have listed. BUT: Some here might think we are starting “from scratch”. And so far seemingly in the other work tracks that is not what we have done.<br class="">
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Do we start “from scratch” in the WT5 – or do we take the 2012 AG as a “basis” – knowing that it was implemented in an imperfect way and doesn’t necessarily fully reflect the 2007 PDP recommendations of the GNSO?<br class="">
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I would find it cumbersome if the GNSO would come up with “new” PDP recommendations – and then ICANN staff would (like last time) create their own interpretation via implementation. It would be my wish (and I think I heard this notion before) that THIS time
around GNSO and ICANN staff work much closer together. What we do in the work tracks is not anymore creating a constitution – upon then law will be created. The “law” is existing – we are overhauling it. So THIS time there shouldn’t be funny surprises at the
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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You have raised some interesting points. One I would like to explore more is your assumption “that 2012 AG will likely remain mostly…unchanged”. I think that is a dangerous assumption because, if were actually the case, it would perpetuate many of the faults
and flaws of that process. And there were many if only evidenced by the facts that there are still, six years on, some applications that have not been finally evaluated and either killed off or put into operational mode.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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We all know that the policy development process ended in 2010 and it took many more months to release the AGB. That was only the first step in a long haul of re-interpretations of the policy into operational, evaluation and implementation changes. Those changes/modifications/interferences
were made for many different reasons and it is those elements that we must capture as we seek to radically improve the approach to any new round. It is insufficient to accept the 2012 AGB at face value for a default policy position. This is particularly
the case when we should be making strenuous efforts to be inclusive, engaging and innovative so we have system which is an incentive for new ideas to come forward. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On 4 Jan 2018, at 12:24 pm, Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Well: That’s actually subject to the outcome of our recommendations. That’s why we have this WT5! Within the GNSO Subsequent Round WG we work off the 2012 Applicant Guidebook. We strike
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">City governments are not stupid. They weren’t in the 2012 round, and with a MYRIAD of consultants assisting them in 2020 they will only be much MORE informed. They city Government will
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Having said this: NO, the letter of non-objection is by no means a “one time sign-off”. It never was. It should never be. Thanks that you brought it up – because like you there might be many who assume it was! Once we work through the WT5-relevant existing
2012 AG provisions this will become much clearer. In respect to country names potentially being operated as gTLDs: obviously the same would apply! A consent (“letter of non-objection”) has to be provided by the RELEVANT Government authority (NOT by the “Ministry
for Fishing & Farming”). That consent is revocable. The Government will be in control at all times. Some Governments will decide to run “their” country name themselves (I can imagine Turkey or Belarus wanting to assert FULL control). Others will want to be
“out of the loop” as much as possible, like the United States of America: simply because that’s their general attitude; the federal Government has simply no say in such matters – and frankly doesn’t WANT to have one. The less leverage you have – the less you
are responsible! Some want “full control”, others want the Government to stay out of as much as possible. Up to the relevant Government.<br class="">
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Timo
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, January 04, 2018 1:30 PM<br class="">
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If we speak only and strictly about business models in the sense how to market and how to monetize the transactions then yes this part is not restricted nor specified by ICANN nor any of the sub organisations. But leaving that aside ICANN dictates great deal
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the TLD it self. The letter of non-objection works as one time sign-off. If the winner of the "beauty contest" decides not to act according to their initial sales pitch - i do not see on what grounds could the city government request ICANN to stop the delegation
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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Seems like we have a cross over of issues here between the overall group and the new Work Track 5. I would encourage overall discussions on business models to stay within this mailing list, but remove any issues on geographic names to Work Track 5 when we
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Thus, the issue of whether business models of registries in general or within some “categories” of TLDs should be explored here. But whether TLDs that coincide with geographic names should or should not be of a certain business model, should be discussed within
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The reason is not to stifle discussion, but I note that not all of the participants of Work Track 5 are in fact participants in this overall group. I want to make sure that all Work Track 5 participants see all discussions that relate to “geographic names”<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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