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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><a name="_MailOriginalBody">Dear Work Track 5 members,<o:p></o:p></a></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Please see below the notes from the meeting today (21 February). These high-level notes are designed to help WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not a substitute for the recording or transcript. See the transcript and recording at: </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2018-02-07+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP+Work+Track+5"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2018-02-07+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP+Work+Track+5</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>See also the attached slides and the referenced document at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FuPEq0y-cdSUQ1nvhWKhVnG8PLaC2RYXsCpQu91FDqo/edit#gid=976415709[docs.google.com.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Julie Hedlund, Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b>Notes/Action Items:<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>1. SOI Updates: No updates.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>2. Changes to WT5 Leadership (5 mins) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Christopher Wilkinson stepped down as a Co-Leader representing the ALAC; Javier Rua-Jovet has joined as Co-Leader from the ALAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>3. Review of existing defined geographic terms (65 mins) (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FuPEq0y-cdSUQ1nvhWKhVnG8PLaC2RYXsCpQu91FDqo/edit#gid=976415709[docs.google.com])<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 5: Review of existing defined geographic names<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>a) Is it a valid geographic term for the purposes of new gTLDs?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>b) What were the positive impact/merits based on the treatment applied to the term in the AGB?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>c) What were the negative impact/opportunities lost based on the treatment applied to the term in the AGB?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 7: Permutation or transposition of any of the names on the list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Policy: Available, but challenge mechanism to government to initiate an objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AGB: Not available as gTLD.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Excerpt for Reference: 2012 AGB section 2.2.1.4.1 Treatment of Country or Territory Names: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Applications for strings that are country or territory names will not be approved, as they are not available under the New gTLD Program in this application round. A string shall be considered to be a country or territory name if: i. it is an alpha-3 code listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard. ii. it is a long-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard, or a translation of the long-form name in any language. iii. it is a short-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard, or a translation of the short-form name in any language. iv. it is the short- or long-form name association with a code that has been designated as “exceptionally reserved” by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency. v. it is a separable component of a country name designated on the “Separable Country Names List,” or is a translation of a name appearing on the list, in any language. See the Annex at the end of this module.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>...It is a permutation or transposition of any of the names included in items (i) through (v). Permutations include removal of spaces, insertion of punctuation, and addition or removal of grammatical articles like “the.” A transposition is considered a change in the sequence of the long or short–form name, for example, “RepublicCzech” or “IslandsCayman.”vii. it is a name by which a country is commonly known, as demonstrated by evidence that the country is recognized by that name by an intergovernmental or treaty organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Should try to find examples and use them to see if this is necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- The transposition part of it should only apply to long forms of names, not short forms. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Looked at ordering of words, not letters within words.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Consider removing this since we have the objection process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Are there examples of problems with this in the last round? Lost opportunities: Couldn't apply because of this rule? None identified that we are aware of.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Does this also apply to translations?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Justine Chew: Someone brought up the example of NER before ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Emily Barabas: Nick Wenban-Smith mentioned this example on the last call: NER is the alpha 3 for Niger, but .REN is a new gTLD under the 2012 round. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Susan Payne GNSO/IPC: We discussed 3 letter codes last week and staff confirmed that they had not interpreted this provision in a way that would allow re-ordering of 3 letter codes. which makes complete sense<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead WT5: I agree, Susan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Emily Barabas: (three letter transposition)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Steve Chan: In line with other comments, Short Form does not refer to the alpha-3 code<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>jeff neuman (SubPro PDP Co-Chair): Right, just want to make sure we are clear<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 8: Name by which a country is commonly known<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Example is Holland for the Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Policy: Available, but challenge mechanism to governments to initiate an objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AGB: Not available as gTLD.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Positive Impacts: predictable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Negative Impacts:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Any experience of any countries applying?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Do we want to prohibit a country from applying for its own common name?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Similar to the short and long-form names on the previous call.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 9: Representation, in any language, of a capital city name of any country or territory listed in ISO 3166-1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Examples: London-Londres-Llundian/Berlin-Berlijn-Berlino<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Policy: Available, but challenge mechanism to governments to initiate an objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AGB: Requiring support/non-objection from relevant governments or public authorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Positive Impacts: Predictable and worked well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Negative Impacts: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Hard to find the appropriate contact/authority in the relevant government or public authority.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- The problem with this was two-fold...the length of time meant that quite often political representatives changed and the second was resolving competing applicant bids in a way that was easily assessed...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- We could make it easier for applicant to find the relevant authority. GAC should be of help here - at least for the countries attending ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 10: City name, used for purposes associated with the city name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Examples: Bath, Florence, Frankfurt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Policy: Available, but challenge mechanism to government to initiate an objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AGB: Requiring support/non-objection from relevant governments or public authorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Negative Impacts: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- There are quite a few cities with the same name, and many cities with generic-type word names. Not sure how cities could be restricted by ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Cities are geonames, but sometimes also generic names and brands.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Problem could be that the use changed. If applyed for as not used for city, but still were<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- No established list -- so who determines if a city is a city?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 11: City name, used for other purposes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Examples: Bath, Florence, Frankfurt, Spa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Policy: Available, but challenge mechanism to government to initiate an objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AGB: No requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Negative Impacts: Subsequent changes to operation of a TLD that started out as a non-geographic purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Slide 12: Exact match of a sub-national place name, such as a country, provide, or state listed in ISO 3166-2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Example: Badakhshan (AF-BDS) in Afghanistan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Policy: Available, but challeng mechanism to governments to initiate an objection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AGB" Requiring support/non-objection from relevant governments or public authorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Negative Impacts: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Similar to city names in terms of practical implementation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Thinking about how the policy is applied and implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- Signficant variation from GNSO Council adopted policy. Should be flagged and addressed. Look at whether the AGB worked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Elsa Saade: some territories are not represented as a "sovereign government" that could possibly have representation in GAC for instance<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Elsa Saade: Western Sahara for instance<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Elsa Saade: there are territories that are "contested" and the example of Western Sahara is a good one I'd say<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Javier Rúa-Jovet (ALAC): like my “Territory”: Puerto Rico (PR)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Carlos Dionisio Aguirre LACRALO: +1 Annebeth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Goma Serge Parfait: but what can be te case of congo bassin? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Robin Gross: Agree that we must focus on what falls under the definition of geo term for these purposes first.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Goma Serge Parfait: is like not a country or a state<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Goma Serge Parfait: is not a country<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Ann-Cathrin Marcussen, ccNSO 2: Thank you for clearifying this, Annebeth - I wil lreapet that in my view this is clearly geographic term<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Alan Greenberg: Generic is in DNS terms, anything other than ccTLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Liz Williams: @Martin...just a thought...where do we put things like africa which is a continent and a collection of countries...I may have missed this but it was a very difficult example as we all know...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Greg Shatan: Maybe we should find out how .asia was delegated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Paul McGrady: There are some really common terms out there in the US for counties: Baker, Barber, Bath, Bond, Butler, Canyon, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Christopher Wilkinson: @Kavrous: .EU was delegated to the EU with the agreement of all the Member States.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>jeff neuman (SubPro PDP Co-Chair): .asia got the majority of the active ccTLDs at the time to agree <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Justine Chew: That's REGION under the next point<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Alexander Schubert 2: I think you needed 70 of the nations supporting the regionial application (.frica)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Liz Williams: With respect to .europe, we could explore what happened with the establishment of .eu...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Alexander Schubert 2: (.africa)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Justine Chew: @Alexander: 60%<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>jeff neuman (SubPro PDP Co-Chair): It wasnot all of the countries, no. BUt no one objected<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Liz Williams: @Kavouss...it was a small group of countries and people that came together to agreement on it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead WT5: .EU is very special, because it is considered a ccTLD, but is actually a TLD for the Union, not for the geographic Europe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Alexander Schubert 2: Thanks Justine!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Justine Chew: 60% + no more than 1 objection<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Liz Williams: @Annebeth...yes I agree with you but I think the principles are useful to look act particularly with respect to agreement of countries, consistent policies, serving the needs of a very distinct but diverse group. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>avri doria: Paul, your musical?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>jeff neuman (SubPro PDP Co-Chair): .asia had the support of the ccTLDs for China, Iran, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Phillippines and a bunch of technology pan-asian groups like APTLD, AAPNIC, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>