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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">There was an interesting discussion on the meaning of "all languages" (concerning the long and short names of countries and territories). Taken literally, this would mean thousands and thousands of names.<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">As far as country names in their official languages and in the six UN languages are concerned, a good starting point is Working Paper 54 of the UN Group of Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN).
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https://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/UNGEGN/docs/26th-gegn-docs/WP/WP54_UNGEGN%20WG%20Country%20Names%20Document%202011.pdf
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it is from 2011 so there may be some new countries created after that like South Sudan.
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Some languages have their specific names not only for the "own" country but for most other countries as well.. In some cases, protecting those other versions (eg., in the languages of neighboring countries, or in non-UN
languages such as German or Japanese) might be important for the government. Should governments have the option of protecting the name of the country in additional languages?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Best,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Yrjö <br>
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UNGEGN List of Country Names Introduction During its 16th Session (New York, 1992), the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN) re- convened its working group to establish the official forms of country names.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 4, 2018 6:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Work Track 5 - 04 April 2018</font>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><a name="x__MailOriginalBody" id="LPlnk529217" previewremoved="true">Dear Work Track 5 members,</a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Please see below the action items and notes from the meeting today (04 April). <i>These high-level notes are designed to help WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not a substitute for the recording,
transcript, or the chat, which will be posted at: </i></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2018-02-07+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP+Work+Track+5" id="LPlnk934508" previewremoved="true"><span style="">https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2018-02-07+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP+Work+Track+5</span><span style=""></span></a><span style="">.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">See also the attached slides.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Kind regards,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Julie</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style=""><b>Notes/Action Items:</b></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style=""><b>Action Items:</b> Include the input from the notes and chat in the spreadsheet and review for the next meeting.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style=""><b>Notes:</b></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">1. SOI Updates: No updates.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">2. Update from ICANN61 / Where we are now:
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Slide 4: Update from ICANN61:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- WT5 held a public session at ICANN61</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Provided a brief background and summary of progress</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Presented the timeline the group is working towards to deliver an Initial Report in July
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Discussed future treatment of geographic terms contained within the 2012 Applicant Guidebook (AGB).</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Slides, transcript and video stream can be accessed via the ICANN61 Meeting Schedule page - https://61.schedule.icann.org/meetings/647704
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Feedback from the session has been incorporated into the working document for the Work Track: - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FuPEq0y-cdSUQ1nvhWKhVnG8PLaC2RYXsCpQu91FDqo/edit#gid=358523414</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Some members raised concerns about the format of the spreadsheet used to track deliberations. Suggestions for alternatives are welcome.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Slide 5: Work Track 5 Work Plan:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- March-April: Begin Discussing Future Treatment of Terms in 2012 Applicant Guidebook.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- May: Discuss Future Treatment of Terms Not Included in 2012 Applicant Guidebook.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- June: Draft initial report.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- July: Publish Initial Report -- Not an end point, but a required step in the PDP to publish in the public forum. Initial focus is to reach this initial report stage in July.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Slide 6: Where are we now?</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Drawing on the conversation during the ICANN61 session, the Work Track co-leaders submit the following proposals for consideration:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- 2-character country codes (ISO 3166): Maintain the status quo, reserving all 2 letter-letter ASCII combinations for existing and future country codes.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- 3-character country codes (ISO 3166): Maintain the status quo, i.e. not available, and defer broader questions about which entity/entities can apply for these strings and how they may be treated (for instance, as
a gTLD, a ccTLD or something else).</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Long and short form of country and territory names (ISO 3166): Maintain the status quo, i.e. not available, and defer broader questions about which entity/entities can apply for these strings and how they may be treated
(for instance, as a gTLD, a ccTLD or something else).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Discussion:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Gathering all input in a spreadsheet, but could consider converting it into a Word document.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Separate item: The letter-number combination is not a geographic name and will be taken by Work Track 2; the actual two-character country codes would be reserved (letter-letter country code).</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- The discussion centered on the point that a letter-number combination would not be referring to a geographic term so it would be out of scope of this Work Track. It would be considered by Work Track 2.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- When we defined the scope of Work Track 5 we explicitly included 3-character country codes, so how can we pass this on – what do we mean by “defer broader questions about which entity/entities can apply”? At ICANN61
whereby it was thought that this should sit outside of gTLD-land (outside of GNSO). That is where we find difficulties in routing anything further. We said we would not look at anything that is outside of the scope for the GNSO. Comments were to keep these
as unavailable and to defer broader questions outside the GNSO scope. Important to note that even if some countries did not want this as a gTLD, and it is not a ccTLD, and Work Track 5 can only look at what is a gTLD or not. So the only solution is either
we give support or non-objection, it would still be a gTLD, which would not be satisfactory for the participants who commented at ICANN61.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">3. Geographic terms from the AGB (continued):</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Slide 8: Review of Existing Country and Territory Names:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">As a reminder, in the 2012 Application Guidebook, the following country and territory names were not available (see section 2.2.1.4.1):</span></p>
<ol start="1" style="margin-top:0in" type="I">
<li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is an alpha-3 code listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard. **discussed at ICANN61**</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a long-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard, or a translation of the long-form name in any language. **discussed at ICANN61**</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a short-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard, or a translation of the short-form name in any language. **discussed at ICANN61 **</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is the short- or long-form name association with a code that has been designated as “exceptionally reserved” by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency.
</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a separable component of a country name designated on the “Separable Country Names List,” or is a translation of a name appearing on the list, in any language. See the Annex at the end of this module.
</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a permutation or transposition of any of the names included in items (i) through (v). Permutations include removal of spaces, insertion of punctuation, and addition or removal of grammatical articles
like “the.” A transposition is considered a change in the sequence of the long or short–form name, for example, “RepublicCzech” or “IslandsCayman.”
</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a name by which a country is commonly known, as demonstrated by evidence that the country is recognized by that name by an intergovernmental or treaty organization.</span></li></ol>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Slide 9: Future Treatment – Country and Territory Names:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">We are now discussing future treatment of the following country and territory names:
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<li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is the short- or long-form name association with a code that has been designated as “exceptionally reserved” by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency. (example: .eu)</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a separable component of a country name designated on the “Separable Country Names List,” or is a translation of a name appearing on the list, in any language. See the Annex at the end of this module.
(example: Åland, separable component of Åland Islands)</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a permutation or transposition of any of the names included in items (i) through (v). Permutations include removal of spaces, insertion of punctuation, and addition or removal of grammatical articles
like “the.” A transposition is considered a change in the sequence of the long or short–form name, for example, “RepublicCzech” or “IslandsCayman.” (note: transposition does not apply to 3-letter codes)</span></li><li class="x_MsoPlainText" style=""><span style="">it is a name by which a country is commonly known, as demonstrated by evidence that the country is recognized by that name by an intergovernmental or treaty organization. (Holland for the Netherlands)</span></li></ul>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Discussion:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- What do we mean by “name of the country” – do we mean in English? Answer: There are some language aspects included in the terms. Bullet 2 – “is a translation of a name appearing on the list...” Check in the AGB
to see which items have a translation? ISO 3166 names it comes in two forms – English translation or French translation of the names. That is the language being used. Often they are actually transliterated. For the permutations language isn’t mentioned.
What has been discussed is the possibility of having all languages.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- When we’ve talked about permutations: it is strangely written – transposition doesn’t apply to 3-letter codes, but doesn’t mention permutations. Perhaps still consider whether to have the permutations unavailable,
or to have an objection process. There were a number of conversations in the spreadsheet on the relevance on the reserved status.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Shortcomings on translations or specific terms should be covered on the spreadsheet in those items that are not covered in the applicant guidebook.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- On the last bullet – “name by which a country is commonly known...” ADD: “in any language”. But, how would we manage that? It could not be a definitive list. Start with any official language in the country or geography
concerned by the relevant string. Depending on requests for expanding, you could go to UN languages, but this might be too little. Not fair to say all strings to be treated fairly in all languages. Where the AGB is not explicit we should take that over
to the list of what isn’t in the guidebook. If we are saying these are reserved then it would be ideal to have a definitive list, but that may not be possible. “In any language” could be tens of thousands of strings reserved. Need to compile a rough list
of what this could look like. A start could be recognizing the official language in the jurisdiction of the string concerned. Should we say, “all scripts” instead of “all languages”? Noting this for the list of what is not considered in the AGB.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">Re: it is the short- or long-form name association with a code that has been designated as “exceptionally reserved” by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency. (example: .eu) – does it fit into the same way forward?
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- “Exceptionally reserved” there are no definitions of this in the standard. Probably shouldn’t include in a new version of the AGB. The whole standard is in a review period and it might be that the whole notion
of reserved names will change. If you are doing a new AGB consider taking this whole notion of reserved and exceptionally reserved out of the AGB. Using undefined terms is not a good idea.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">-- Just accept the international standard as it is, but without including the notion of reserved and exceptionally reserved. But there are many geographicals that are not included in ISO 3166 at all. Bias toward a
certain category of subdivisions and ignoring others. But, there could be other terms that protect, or they have an objection process.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="">4. Next Meeting: Wednesday, 18 April at 20:00 UTC.</span></p>
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