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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">The UN Group of Experts on Geographic Names (UNGEGN) list is rather more straightforward and unequivocal about which languages are "official" in each country (presumably based on information from UN member countries
themselves) <br>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">It doesn't go as deep as ISO lists - no mention of Frisian, or of status of three different variants Sámi in certain municipalities of Finnish Lapland, for that matter.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">For our purposes, the UNGEGN list should be enough, and IMHO relevant for country
<b>names </b>as for ISO is for their <b>codes</b>.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><a href="https://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/UNGEGN/docs/26th-gegn-docs/WP/WP54_UNGEGN%20WG%20Country%20Names%20Document%202011.pdf" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk664887" previewremoved="true">https://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/UNGEGN/docs/26th-gegn-docs/WP/WP54_UNGEGN%20WG%20Country%20Names%20Document%202011.pdf</a></p>
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- the United Nations - UNSD</a></div>
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UNGEGN List of Country Names Introduction During its 16th Session (New York, 1992), the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN) re- convened its working group to establish the official forms of country names.</div>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">UNGEGN website: <a href="https://unstats.un.org/UNSD/geoinfo/UNGEGN/default.html" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk995068" previewremoved="true">
https://unstats.un.org/UNSD/geoinfo/UNGEGN/default.html</a></p>
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In 1959, the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) paved the way for a small group of experts to meet and provide technical recommendations on standardizing geographical names at the national and international levels.</div>
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<div class="PlainText">Annebeth Lange writes:<br>
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> Would a possibility be to include only the official language(s) of all<br>
> countries, or would that be too much as well? I agree with Javier that<br>
> UN Languages, plus the official language of the country is the easiest.<br>
> However, it is fairly restricted, as there are many languages in the<br>
> world used extensively by others, to take German and Portuguese as an<br>
> example.<br>
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At first sight this seems easy, but I'm afraid it is yet another can<br>
of worms. One needs to define what "Official languages" means.<br>
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When the second Edition on of 3166-1 came out in 2006, a columns where<br>
added which contains additional information. The description of this<br>
column is (quoting ISO 3166-1-2006):<br>
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- 9 (informative) The alpha-2 ISO 639 code element of each<br>
administrative language of the country (with a dash when the<br>
code element is missing);<br>
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- 10 (informative) The alpha-3 (terminological version) ISO<br>
639 code element of each administrative language of the<br>
country (with a dash when the code element is missing);<br>
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The term "administrative language" is chosen because there don't seem<br>
to be a list of official languages of a country available.<br>
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The path to such a list will be way more complicated then one hopes.<br>
Here are some random problems:<br>
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For the Netherlands, the ISO OBP lists in part 1 NLD (Dutch)<br>
only but for part 2 list for a subdivision Frisian as well.<br>
And as far as I know, Frisian can be used as official language<br>
under certain conditions (in court is one of them). The CIA<br>
handbook list a couple more as being used<br>
<<a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2098.html#nl" id="LPlnk550982" previewremoved="true">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2098.html#nl</a>>.
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On the Government site I found an article stating that for the<br>
revision of the constitutions maybe it is time to say<br>
something about the language used<br>
<<a href="https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2010/02/12/dutch-language-enshrined-in-the-constitution" id="LPlnk76874" previewremoved="true">https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2010/02/12/dutch-language-enshrined-in-the-constitution</a>>.<br>
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For India, ISO lists two languages for part 1 (eng, hin), and<br>
part 2 just one (en) while the CIA fact book lists a 14<br>
official languages.<br>
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The USA doesn't has an official language and there are regular<br>
heated debates whether there should be one.<br>
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I'm afraid that this will lead to yet another extensive discussion but<br>
not a lot of results that can be used in the scope of this work track.<br>
<br>
jaap<br>
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