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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If I may chime in… the 2012 round has shown
that some names with geographic significance which were left out of the 2012 AGB rules on “geo names” have created and are still creating issues.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What is needed in my opinion is a framework
that covers such names (to what level of granularity is something we would need to decide on) in order to create predictability and a fair say for the interested applicants and the affected communities (which normally will be represented by different Government
levels).</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">As I have mentioned before, ac</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">cording
to the available data (for instance the data circulated prior to the webinar organized in April 2017) the 2012 AGB requirement of a “non-objection letter” by the relevant public authorities worked well, as it created a good mix of incentives for applicants
and relevant authorities to arrive at mutually accepted solutions for the delegation of the strings.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This by no means implies to take such names
out of the pool of potential TLD. It just contributes in creating a framework for getting the right people at the table before the application is submitted and preempts many potential ex-post conflicts…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Javier Rua<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 19. April 2018 03:35<br>
<b>An:</b> Liz Williams <liz.williams@auda.org.au><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Geographic terms: additional categories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Apr 18, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Liz Williams <<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You have raised some interesting wrinkles. The first is we mustn’t conflate the application for a domain name with intellectual property rights. My IP lawyer friends will have different views I am sure, but, a new top level domain can
exist quite happily alongside any array of IP rights which may exist at the top level of the domain name system and at the second level in domain name registrations. For example, to use Jeff’s idea from this morning, .mars can exist alongside
<a href="http://www.mars.com">www.mars.com</a> alongside <a href="http://www.marstheplanet.com">
www.marstheplanet.com</a> and Jacqueline Mars (the woman whose family the company is named after). The issue is to be sure that consumers are not confused and that bad faith use is not allowed…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And to your second point, communities are not disadvantaged if they don’t apply for a domain name. Let’s use Murrumbidgee as the example. It may be that a community or group or geographic area are not interested and find different ways
of expressing themselves on-line. That is fine. What isn’t fine is if they are constrained BEFORE they have even have a chance to decide. It is always annoying and expensive and time consuming if there is contention for a name…that is why there must be
simple mechanisms to resolve that contention.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And to your last point. I think this issue is directly within scope for the consideration of this group. Governments have responsibilities around the setting of and implementation of public policy in their jurisdictions. However, in
the context of new top level domain policy processes, government stakeholders are part of a much broader constellation of people whose views need to be considered…and we don’t need an international treaty for that to happen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope that we can talk about this area in much more detail within the group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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This is a very important discussion and thanks for framing it simply.<br>
I am guessing the issue about the Aboriginal community being able to<br>
register the name is whether or not they will be competing against<br>
another company who trademarked that name and who could possibly sue<br>
them.<br>
And maybe they don't even register the domain name but create a<br>
handcraft company with the river name.<br>
In that sense, it is not about limiting the registration of a name but<br>
ensuring protection for communities which are left vulnerable if<br>
exclusive registration rights and associated IP rights are given to<br>
whoever first registers the name.<br>
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But this is probably out of the scope of WT5 since it deals with<br>
governmental objections and not unrecognized minority communities or<br>
treaties without a broader international intergovernmental acceptance.<br>
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I wanted to refer back to our call this morning (Australia time) to provide<br>
some more examples about the nature of generic words that are also used for<br>
important geographic terms. I used three examples this morning which relate<br>
to our major river systems which is not dissimilar to the Amazon River<br>
example where the rivers flow through different states. In my example, the<br>
Murray, Darling & Murrumbidgee rivers are all significant geographic<br>
features. The first two are named after people; the third an Aboriginal<br>
word in the Wiradjuri language. The Murrumbidgee River flows through<br>
several distinct areas of Aboriginal land and forms part of the Murray River<br>
system.<br>
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We could extend the analysis by including Mount Kosciuszko National Park<br>
which includes our highest mountain (and from which the Murrumbidgee flows.)<br>
Again, named after a real person (whose name likely doesn’t fit as a good<br>
TLD label!) but, nonetheless, is one of our most significant geographic<br>
identifiers.<br>
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IF we were to conclude that a broader bucket of geographic identifiers (like<br>
rivers and places) were to somehow be constrained/limited/banned what<br>
purpose would that serve? For example, if the Aboriginal communities that<br>
live along the river and identify with that region, why wouldn’t they be<br>
welcome to apply for the name? The same could be said of landowners (like I<br>
was), tourist enterprises, naturalists, national parks, might also want to<br>
create a new “community” top level domain that they can use. The same could<br>
be said of the Murray/Darling examples.<br>
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There are many many other examples that this group could come up with which<br>
shows the way in which humans name geographic features that are intrinsic<br>
parts of their culture. From my personal perspective expanding any<br>
limitations on what applicants can apply for is a negative idea. Instead,<br>
we need to work towards enabling the expansion of the domain name space to<br>
suit end users.<br>
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And most importantly, we need simple steps (I think we need some schematic<br>
to show how this could work in practical evaluation) to understand how to<br>
deal with contention and to resolve that contention efficiently and fairly.<br>
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Liz<br>
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