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<div class="">I am sure others will have examples of similar types of names that fit into the “Perth” category…my First Fleet convict relatives were not very original in naming places…</div>
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<div class="">And then to your more important point about encouraging collaboration (and reducing contention). During the 2005-2007 PDP process, a lot of thought went into how to create awareness of the new TLD process. I am not sure how successful it was
nor am I sure how such programs such as Universal Acceptance have fared either. However, it is very worthwhile work to put into our discussions how ICANN could facilitate collaboration. Perhaps ICANN support staff could give us some more information that
may have been collected in reviewing programs?</div>
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<div class="">There will remain contention because geographic terms (and any other type of TLD application) may be the subject of competing interests. We have to deal with both collaboration and contention and come up with suggestions about ways to handle
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<div class="">Best wishes.</div>
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<div class="">On 30 Apr 2018, at 5:20 pm, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" class="">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Focusing on your scenario for ‘Perth’ it may also be worth considering that the related places could create a co-operative agreement to operate the registry. We should not forget that the burden and risk associated with applying, launching and
maintaining a TLD is significant and a co-operative approach may be welcomed by some who do not wish to take on these risks alone. It may also increase the potential use and wider demand for domains at the second level. </div>
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<div class="">I wanted to start a new thread of conversation about city names ahead of our upcoming conference call. We are being encouraged by our co-chairs to think about city names as TLDs. The first point is, perhaps, to recognise the “success” of some
previous city TLDs including Berlin, Paris, NYC and so on. Those applications went through very specific requirements for evaluation and, now, hopefully serve the requirements of local communities. We should hope that, in any new round, the experiences of
those cities will ease the way for future applications because we have learnt something about how and why applicants apply for place names (and I use the word place deliberately) as top level domain labels.</div>
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<div class="">For our next round of policy recommendations I wanted to use an example which I think highlights the difficulties we face if we are prescriptive and limited in our analysis.</div>
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<div class="">Most of us know that Perth is the capital city of Western Australia. It is not the capital city of Australia as Canberra has that honour. Relying on a “is the word a capital city” question is fraught with difficulty. It is difficult because
Perth, Scotland, has at a bare minimum had city status since the 12th century, far longer than Perth, Australia which also has an indigenous place name, its colonial name and a migrant demographic where the largest majority of Perth residents come from England.
Things are complicated by the existence of Perth in Canada which, in its own right, has some features of a capital and, at the very least, some important historic linkages.</div>
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<div class="">And then we turn to the generic words which Jon Nevett highlighted in a previous post (Bath, Save, New) which are also place names.</div>
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<div class="">That leads us to what can we usefully and objectively recommend as treatment of other names which are also linked to places and how those could be treated as top level domains. As a starting point, my recommendation would be that we don’t have
any special treatment for place names as TLDs and that applicants for those names would be evaluated against other business and technical criteria just like another application. However, we might want to think about better ways of handling an objection. Those
objections, from whatever quarter, need to be treated in exactly the same way. I don’t recommend “letters of support or non-objection”. They are too subjective, fraught with movable political nuance and, in some cases, deeply sensitive geo-political facts
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