<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">it is a difficult one to sort out as we will always never get it right. Unless we find something that tally or resolves the issue. The way i am seeing it we need a solution else we will still keep turning around without a way forward. I kept giving these discussions a thought. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">.france or anything else. We know there are cities, states (Countries), companies or else. This is just a suggestion since we are focussed on geonames. How about we include something like for city “ ct.france” or state/country “st.france” something like this. I know unfortunately it won’t be just .france but sublevel it so that we can ensure a way forward. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is just a thought. The issue i see is perhaps some geonames may be problematic in time for example .london there are cities around the world with london in ontario canada as much as london in texas, usa and of course london, UK. In this case how about for city “ uk.london, us.london” etc., am not sure it solves the issues we face but we still need to look at the prospects of the business that runs underneath. Limitation is good but we should also perhaps look further down the line in anticipation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just some thoughts. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kris<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2018, at 10:15, Annebeth Lange <<a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no" class="">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">Thanks for your response. I am sorry that I was unclear. For me second level is totally different from first level, as there are so many possibilities today to have a name, be it geographical or purely generic, at second level, since there are so many
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such little regard for the freedom of expression rights to use words with a geographic meaning. Absent an actual internationally agreed legal rule that holds people can’t use the word “France” or other words with geographic meanings, it would be a huge mistake
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managers in new gtlds. Some of those were generic pronouns like in and it. But no one had mercy on generic names and no justifiable reason was given other than oh governments own everything when it comes to their cctld... or at least can claim ownership. The
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