<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">All, <div><br></div><div>Thank you for this very active, interesting and constructive thread.  </div><div><br></div><div>A question to anyone willing to tackle it (and I hope it doesn’t have a chilling effect on this great conversation!) - Here goes: </div><div><br></div><div>How could a future policy and AGB deal with the following scenario:</div><div><br></div><div>A substate people or indigenous community, say the Kurds, applies for a string that depicts a string which they historically claim “as theirs” (.Kurdistan), a string whose very existence would probably be denied by the relevant constituted sovereign authorities since its recognition would help validate the self-determination claim of that sub-state people (and the relevant constituted sovereign state strongly objects to the application). I think this would fall on the category of “geonames not included in AGB”.  </div><div><br></div><div>I suspect there would be less contentious cases than .Kurdistan, but I use a potentially highly adversative hypothetical for argument’s sake, as a type of “stress test”.  </div><div><br></div><div><div>Javier Rúa-Jovet</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">ALAC<br><div><br></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">+1-787-396-6511</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">twitter: @javrua</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">skype: javier.rua1</span></div><div><font color="#000000" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </font></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br>On May 4, 2018, at 3:29 AM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Thanks. It seemed your question led in a very specific direction... but I may have misunderstood.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hope that my feedback clarifies things. I guess we all are aware that national/regional laws have an impact on ICANN and need to be respected insofar they are applicable.</span><br><span></span><br><span>best</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jorge</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>________________________________</span><br><span></span><br><span>Von: Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>></span><br><span>Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 09:24:48 MESZ</span><br><span>An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span><br><span>Cc: <a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a> <<a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a>>, <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span><br><span>Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jorge,</span><br><span></span><br><span>I am not a lawyer and I think many others in the WT are also non-lawyers, so I am trying to clarify the reach of the laws you have specified and understand this better.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Kind regards,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Martin</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 4 May 2018, at 08:18, "<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>" <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Martin</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is that a legal assessment?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As you know, the DNS is global, so a monopolization of say .luzern would have effects in Switzerland and beyond.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The legal challenge would for sure affect the delegation of .luzern worldwide.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ICANN is bound to respect applicable local law.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>best</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jorge</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Von: Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 09:14:41 MESZ</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>An: Mazzone, Giacomo <<a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sorry for the message being cut short, here is the last piece:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>That would seem to provide the National government the ability to have control over if/who/how a geo TLD could be operated by a local entity. It would not, however, have an impact on an entity outside their jurisdiction that applies for the string, although could use the objection process if it had strong concerns with the application.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please correct if I have not stated this properly.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kind regards,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Martin</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 4 May 2018, at 08:09, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That would seem to provide the National government the ability to have control over if/who/how a geo TLD could be operated by a local entity. It would not, however, have the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a></span><br></blockquote><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>