<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Robin,<div><br></div><div>Thank you (and Greg) for your thoughtful answers!<br><br><div>Javier Rúa-Jovet</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">ALAC<br><div><br></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">+1-787-396-6511</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">twitter: @javrua</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">skype: javier.rua1</span></div><div><font color="#000000" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </font></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br>On May 4, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">Thanks, Javier.  I think Greg has already alluded to one fruitful way forward in evaluating these competing interests, which is to evaluate the intended use of TLD.  And I would add, in particular, to evaluate if the applicant intends to misrepresent their connection or authority with respect to the geo term at issue.  We can allow legitimate uses, while also preventing those intending to misrepresent themselves as being connected to a govt when they aren’t, which is a concern we all share.  And it would keep ICANN clear of having to take sides or otherwise weigh-in on the multiplicity of hot button political issues, eager to utilize such a lever of control over the Internet, thereby endangering ICANN’s independence and neutrality (and ultimately its legitimacy).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The initial policy that was approved by both the board and the GNSO in accordance with ICANN’s bylaws was to use the standard objection process set forth in the New GTLD Program, which applied to all applicants and all others with a competing interest in the term.  I see no reason why a standard objection process, which applies to everyone, could not be used as a basis for evaluating those claims further, and in particular look at whether the applicant is engaged in misrepresentation with the intended use of the TLD.  That would be a better starting place rather than the non-objection letter process, which again, was hastily developed by staff after the first policy was approved by the GNSO and Board, and which changed that approved policy significantly.  </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’d also be curious to hear others thoughts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Robin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 4, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Javier Rua <<a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com" class="">javrua@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Robin, Jorge, All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your thoughtful comments. The mail-list has been very interesting and enlightening today, and in previous days also.  As discussed in the last call, all these threads have been and will  continue to be incorporated in a document to memorialize them and try and find ways forward from a policy perspective.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Robin, what could be a practicable alternative or general way forward to change the current “non-objection” scheme, which somehow takes into account all these competing public and private interests?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">Javier Rúa-Jovet</div><div class="">ALAC<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">+1-787-396-6511</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">twitter: @javrua</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">skype: javier.rua1</span></div><div class=""><font style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class=""><br class="">On May 4, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" class="">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span class="">Dear Jorge,</span><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><span class="">But this really isn’t about “getting at a table” with equals, this is a policy which gives one party the unilateral veto right over all others for a TLD.  Which means the applicant has to go begging to the govt(s) for a non-objection letter.  Of course "nothing gets you nothing” in this world, so the govt is now empowered to extract conditions, including possibly payments from the applicant in order to obtain that letter permitting the TLD to proceed.  Even in cases where the TLD is not going to be used to refer to the geo meaning or to misrepresent a connection to the term, that letter is required.  No doubt govts want to require as many people as possible must "get at the table" since that means more people must pay govts for TLDs to go forward.  The more one looks at it, it appears the non-objection letter is a type of "extortion scheme" for TLDs, bad policy for a free and open Internet.  And the policy wasn’t something that the GNSO actually approved in the last round.  It was one of those post-approval board-staff "implementation details" that went off the rails due to intense govt pressure to ignore the GNSO-approved policy on the issue and give govts more power at ICANN anyway.  The policy must be reconsidered for both of these reasons.</span><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><span class="">Best,</span><br class=""><span class="">Robin</span><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On May 4, 2018, at 10:18 AM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Hi Jon</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I cannot speak for all 2000+ cities in Switzerland ;-)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">They have rights on their name but I guess that getting at a table with them would be fruitful.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" class="">jon@donuts.email</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 19:00:29 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a> <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a> <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>, <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Do you think that applicant should have to talk to the city and get a non-objection letter if the applicant was not using the TLD in a way at all related to the city?  I don't have a problem with letters of non-objection in cases where the TLD is being targeted to the city population itself, but not in every instance.  For example, in the case of Arch, Switzerland, do you think that the Swiss municipality should have veto rights on whether a group of architects could secure .ARCH to collect and display photos of interesting arches around the world or whether the Arch Insurance Co in New Jersey, US should be able to have a TLD for its network of brokers?</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Thanks.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jon</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On May 4, 2018, at 12:48 PM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>> <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Paul</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">That is probably a strange way of seeing things. The brand holder would have only an interest worth protecting if the string is used by someone else in commerce, in the same category of product or service, and consumer confusion is at stake.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The city under Swiss law has a right to sue against the use of its name, without such strings attached, i.e. it is a more ample right.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">But again, what is key here is that the applicant needs to talk to the city with that very name and get at least its non-objection. Everything else is an invitation for protracted conflicts as we have seen in some cases NOT subject to this instrument...</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 18:04:30 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>, <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>>, <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Yes, I understand the difference.  But what gives one priority over the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">other.  You are, in effect, arguing that the civil code of Switzerland</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">should take precedence in our judgment to the trademark code of Great</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Britain, say.    Indeed, to my mind the narrower more focused right should</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">generally be thought of as taking precedence since it is less limiting of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">others.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Paul Rosenzweig</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">M: +1 (202) 329-9650</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">-----Original Message-----</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">From: <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Sent: Friday, May</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To: <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>;</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Subject: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Paul</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The difference, being simple, is that a trademark gives you a limited</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">protection regarding a term for certain products and services, when there</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">might be a confusion for consumers (Nick from Nominet explained it much</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">better).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The right under the civil code on the name of a city is general in its</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">scope, not limited to commercial issues, not limited to specific products</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">and services and not focused on consumer protection.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" class="">mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 17:27:55 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>>, <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Why is it qualitatively different?  And if it is qualitatively different</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">what body of law gives one type of right priority over another?</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Paul</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Paul Rosenzweig</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">M: +1 (202) 329-9650</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">-----Original Message-----</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>> On Behalf</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Of <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 10:54 AM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To: <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Luzern has a right on the name as such under civil right, which is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">qualitatively different.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 16:44:19 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>> <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Alexander,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">You seem to be confusing how patents work and how trademarks work.  Patents</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">can accurately be characterized as a “right to exclude.”  Trademarks cannot.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The company has positive rights in LUCERNE.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">When enforcing that trademark, the owners of LUCERNE can seek to stop use or</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">registration of a mark that raises a “likelihood of confusion” — basically,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the same or similar mark for the same or related goods and services, and for</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">goods and services in the “natural zone of expansion.”  I’m not saying they</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">have the right to stop EVERYBODY nor should they, but then again, neither</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">should Luzern.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:31 AM Alexander Schubert</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Lucerne Foods, Inc. (an American legal entity) might have acquired trade</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">mark rights in the United States of America – but NOT for “LUCERNE”! The</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">trade mark protection prevents the commercial usage of the trade-marked</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">string “lucerne” - FOR A VERY NARROW SELECTION OF SERVICES AND GOODS. It’s</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">rather the services and goods that you protect – FOR a certain string. The</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">string itself is free to use by anybody for everything (minus the few goods</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">and services trade-marked).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">And nobody says that “governments think the rights of governments come</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">first” – it is THE PEOPLE who come first of course – and Governments are</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">merely representing them.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Alexander</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nces@icann.org" class="">nces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nces@icann.org" class="">mailto:nces@icann.org</a>>>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 9:08 AM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To: <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Of course Lucerne Foods has a right on Lucerne.  More precisely, they have</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">legitimate interests in and a legal right to Lucerne.  And they have</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">trademark registrations for LUCERNE.  As with any registration they specify</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">goods and services. That doesn’t make their rights less valid.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Can you clarify if you believe that the hypothetical applicant for .sandwich</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">should be required to get letters of support or nonobjective from Sandwich,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Mass and Sandwich, England? Thank you.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:43 AM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Thanks for your reply. “Lucerne Foods” has no right on “Lucerne” – it most</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">probably just has a trademark for “lucerne foods” in very specific</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">categories of products and services (food related I guess).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">In Switzerland (“Lucerne” as such) would in fact be barred from registration</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">as a business name (as I have said). And the city of Lucerne has a right on</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">its name pursuant 29 Civil Code, so it has clearly a good legal ground to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">challenge the delegation of the unique resource “.lucerne”.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">But beyond the Swiss legal system, the delegation of the unique resource</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">which is a city’s name will give rise to political sensitivities, whatever</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the “intended use”. You need that city government on board. Otherwise you</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">will have a political problem – which is quite natural as city governments</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">have responsibilities, and the name of their city is their main identifier.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Greg Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>]</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 07:36</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: Liz Williams</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>>>; Icann Gnso</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Newgtld Wg Wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Uniqueness does not convey primacy upon governments.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">TLDs may be unique, but that does not mean that governments should get a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">"Trump Card" to block any use of a string with (among other things) a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">geographic meaning.  I can understand why governments think the rights of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">governments come first, but that's not going to get us very far.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">"Use" is absolutely important -- it goes to whether a legitimate right is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">being exercised or infringed.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">If Lucerne Foods</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">(<http://><a href="http://www.lucernefoods.com/" class="">www.lucernefoods.com</a><<a href="http://www.lucernefoods.com/" class="">http://www.lucernefoods.com/</a>><<a href="http://www.lucernefoods.com<http://www.lucernefoods.com/><http://www.lucernefoods.co<http://www.lucernefoods.co/>" class="">http://www.lucernefoods.com<http://www.lucernefoods.com/><http://www.lucernefoods.co<http://www.lucernefoods.co/></a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">m<<a href="http://www.lucernefoods.com<http://www.lucernefoods.com/>>" class="">http://www.lucernefoods.com<http://www.lucernefoods.com/>></a>>), one of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the world's largest food producers, wants to apply for .lucerne, they should</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">have the right to do so, without interference from Luzern.  (I assume they</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">have <a href="http://lucernefoods.com/" class="">lucernefoods.com</a><<a href="http://lucernefoods.com/" class="">http://lucernefoods.com/</a>><<a href="http://lucernefoods.com<http://lucernefoods.com/>" class="">http://lucernefoods.com<http://lucernefoods.com/></a>> because</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://www.lucerne.com/" class="">www.lucerne.com</a><<a href="http://www.lucerne.com/" class="">http://www.lucerne.com/</a>><<a href="http://www.lucerne.com<http://www.lucerne.com/>" class="">http://www.lucerne.com<http://www.lucerne.com/></a>> was already taken.)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best regards,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:23 AM,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Greg and all,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">„Sandwich“ may be a nice example, but fact is that, as I explained, the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">“use” is not really important, as we only have one string with that city</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">name – TLDs are unique.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Therefore, whatever the intended use (a can of worms on its own btw), the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">unique TLD with the “city name” would be delegated. Think on “.shanghai”</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">delegated for a “non geo-use”. Who would say that would have no</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">implications, that would not arise no political sensitivities?</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">But getting back to my country, if “.luzern” were to be applied for,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">intending a “non-geo use”, I would very well understand that this would</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">bring about not only political issues but also legal challenges in our</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">country (based on Art. 29 civil code).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">All this is avoided if you acknowledge the facts (TLDs are unique and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">political sensitivities are there) and try to put everyone at the table. The</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">non-objection letter does that. It may be improved, based on factual issues</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">detected in the 2012 round – btw: we should of course consult all parties in</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">those issues and get first-hand information from the applicants and public</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">authorities involved – just basing our analysis on hearsay, opinions or</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">third-party reports would not be appropriate (Greg, you will remember that</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">in the “jurisdiction Subgroup” of the CCWG Accountability we followed the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">same path of only looking at first hand evidence…).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best regards</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Greg Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>]</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 07:07</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="http://kom.admin.ch<http://kom.admin.ch/>>" class="">http://kom.admin.ch<http://kom.admin.ch/>></a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: Liz Williams</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>>>; Icann Gnso</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Newgtld Wg Wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The burden of non-objection is "fairly" put on the applicant (if at all)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">only if the intended use of the gTLD is as a "geo TLD."  If the applied-for</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">string is going to be used for other purposes, there should be no</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">opportunity for a non-applicant to block an application.  (If the "place" is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">another applicant, that's an entirely different situation that I am not</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">covering in this email.)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Consider an application for .sandwich as a gTLD geared toward domains for</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">sandwich restaurants, sandwich recipe sites, sandwich fans, sandwich</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">historians, sellers of sandwich ingredients (meats, cheeses, breads,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">condiments, etc.) or sandwich implements (panini presses, toaster ovens,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">etc.).  Sandwich, England and Sandwich, Mass. (and the Earl of Sandwich)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">should have no say in the matter.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">This is analogous to the treatment of brands.  If Delta Faucets applies for</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">.Delta, Delta Van Lines has no basis for an objection -- because Delta</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Faucets has a legitimate right.  Delta Van Lines option is to apply or not</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to apply (even if it is only a "defensive application").  This is a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">practical and time-tested model that we should use for strings with</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">geographic and other meanings, at least where the gTLDs use is not as a "geo</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">TLD".</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:56 AM,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Liz</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The burden to obtain the non-objection is fairly put on the applicant, who</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">has, as you also say, a direct interest in avoiding objections.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The city governments of this world (we have 2000+ in tiny Switzerland),</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">whose name is applied to by an applicant in a widely unknown setting which</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">is ICANN cannot be expected to be privy to such procedures and to be</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">monitoring the rounds of applications. This is of course much more difficult</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">for developing and large countries, whose cities may realize one day that</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">their name was taken as a TLD in a process they did not know, because they</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">did not „object“.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To the larger point: you argue/assert that the non-objection letter should</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">not be continued. Alas you have produced no factual basis that would warrant</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">that, beyond one case (africa) where the problems were of an unrelated</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">character, another (amazon) that did NOT fall under the non objection rule,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">which leaves us with one case (tata) where issues may be analyzed and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">addressed without changing the system and putting the incentive structure</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">completely upside-down.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">More broadly speaking, ICANN cannot just ignore the political sensitivities,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">which are backed by different policies, laws etc. depending on the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">corresponding country. You need their representatives at the table and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">non-objecting if you want to avoid protracted issues. These kinds of issues</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">only would grow if you gerrymander those public authorities out of the game.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">best regards</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Liz Williams</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 00:48:00 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Hello everyone</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">This thread has brought out some really interesting ideas.  I may have a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">simpler solution because what we are really talking about, in many cases, is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">backward looking difficult history from which we need to move on.  We should</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">not be satisfied with a 2007 policy and a 2012 implementation if it</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">continues to “allow” bad policy to chase “poor” implementation.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I may have a solution though because what we are essentially talking about</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">also is how a interested stakeholder can express “objection” to something.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I would like to see the end of the “non-objection” process all together, for</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">reasons explained in other posts.  However, “objecting to an application" is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">still a legitimate course of action for someone to take if they don’t want</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">something to happen.  Here are the steps.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">1.  If you support something, say so.  This is really up to an applicant to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">do the footwork to demonstrate in an application that this has taken place.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">We can then think on implementation elements of what that could look like.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">2.  If you don’t object to something, allow it to happen.  If you change</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">your mind, you must do it within agreed strict time parameters see point 3.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">(Non-Objection letters will be a thing of the past).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">3.  If you do object, make an appropriately framed objection whoever you</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">are.  Within that objection process, refer to international law, domestic</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">law, ISO standards and so on that are relevant to the applicant & the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">application.   This takes out the endless discussion here about what should</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">be referred to which causes such trouble.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The applicant takes responsibility for ensuring that they submit an</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">application which addresses those points and avoids an objection (all</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">applicants are highly motivated to avoid objections).  An objector must use</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">those standards;  pay for making the objection and submit it within</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">appropriate time frames.  Evaluators then take those objections into account</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">in evaluation.  An objector (whoever they are) must accept that their</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">objection may be discarded by evaluators.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Then we can close off the endless circular differences between jurisdictions</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">and we focus on the real work that takes place for an applicant in an</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">application process.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I look forward to hearing more from colleagues because this could apply to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">a) any application and b) geographic terms in particular.   Our policy</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">recommendation then comes around to open process, objective criteria,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">assumption of compliance with law, competition and innovation.  The points</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">above are then implementation guidelines that improve an AGB.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Liz</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">….</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">.au Domain Administration Ltd</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">E:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><mailto:liz.william</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:s@auda.org.au" class="">s@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:s@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:s@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://www.auda.org.au/" class="">www.auda.org.au</a><<a href="http://www.auda.org.au/" class="">http://www.auda.org.au</a>><<a href="http://www.auda.org.au/" class="">http://www.auda.org.au</a>><<a href="http://www.auda.org.au/" class="">http://www.auda.org.au</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Important Notice</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">notify the sender and delete this message immediately.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On 4 May 2018, at 4:50 am, Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Maybe Staff can help compile any such laws and cases related to domains?  We</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">should deal with concrete examples, as I have given re 4 TLD applications</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">from the last round.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">RODENBAUGH LAW</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/>" class="">http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/></a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Mike</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">There are similar laws in other countries. For Switzerland you can look it</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">up online quite easily (in various languages). There is case-law but I guess</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the court decisions will be in German and French.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Besides, limits to register solely city names and other geographic terms as</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">such as trademarks or business names are also common...</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On the other hand, as said before, rights on brands are limited to specific</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">categories of products and services...</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">In the end, as said, you have different interests converging on a single</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">string, where in our opinion the public interest is paramount.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 3. Mai 2018 um 19:26:08 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: Gregory S. Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><mailto:gregshatanip</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:c@gmail.com" class="">c@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:c@gmail.com" class="">mailto:c@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>>>,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mail</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to:<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="http://ca.inter.net/" class="">http://ca.inter.net</a>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mai</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">lto:<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="http://ca.inter.net/" class="">http://ca.inter.net</a>>>>>,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I would like to see the text of such laws, and any cases that apply them to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">domain names.  I guess there might be one in France too, but I haven't dug</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">into the particulars of the French legal proceedings re</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://france.com/" class="">France.com</a><<a href="http://france.com/" class="">http://France.com</a>><<a href="http://france.com/" class="">http://France.com</a>>.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">RODENBAUGH LAW</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/>" class="">http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/></a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:19 AM,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Mike</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I mentioned some, eg in Switzerland cities have rights to protect their</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">names under the civil code (art. 29), and provisions prevent the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">registration of business names and trademarks that solely consist of city</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">names.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">best</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><mailto:mike@rodenbau</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://gh.com/" class="">gh.com</a><<a href="http://gh.com/" class="">http://gh.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Datum: 3. Mai 2018 um 19:06:27 MESZ</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: Gregory S. Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><mailto:gregshatanip</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:c@gmail.com" class="">c@g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<span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge, what law provides for governments to claim superior rights to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">geographic (or any other) domain names?  I am not aware of any, so am eager</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to be enlightened if they exist.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Thanks,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Mike</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">RODENBAUGH LAW</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/>" class="">http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/></a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 2:49 AM,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://om.admin.ch/" class="">om.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://om.admin.ch/" class="">http://om.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://min.ch/" class="">min.ch</a><<a href="http://min.ch/" class="">http://min.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin</a>.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ch<<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><ma</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ilto:<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>>>>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Mike</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Thanks for your input.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">In the end we have different bodies, entities etc. holding interests on one</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">single string. In our view (Swiss perspective), public interest provides for</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">clear limits to private monopolization over geographic names such as city</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">names – this is reflected in law.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best regards</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><mailto:mike@rodenbau</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://gh.com/" class="">gh.com</a><<a href="http://gh.com/" class="">http://gh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><mailto:mike@r</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://odenbaugh.com/" class="">odenbaugh.com</a><<a href="http://odenbaugh.com/" class="">http://odenbaugh.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>>><mail</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to:<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" class="">http://rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.co" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.co</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">m<<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><mailto:mike@rodenb</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://augh.com/" class="">augh.com</a><<a href="http://augh.com/" class="">http://augh.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" class="">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>>>>]</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2018 09:49</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://om.admin.ch/" class="">om.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://om.admin.ch/" class="">http://om.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://min.ch/" class="">min.ch</a><<a href="http://min.ch/" class="">http://min.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin</a>.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ch<<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><ma</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ilto:<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>>>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: Gregory S. Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><mailto:gregshatanip</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:c@gmail.com" class="">c@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:c@gmail.com" class="">mailto:c@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><mailto:gregsh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:atanipc@gmail.com" class="">atanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:atanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:atanipc@gmail.com</a>>>>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><mailto:gregshatanipc@gma</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://il.com/" class="">il.com</a><<a href="http://il.com/" class="">http://il.com</a>>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>><mail</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://gmail.com/" class="">http://gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><mailto:gregshatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ipc@gmail.com" class="">ipc@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:ipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:ipc@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>>>>>;</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mail</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to:<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="http://ca.inter.net/" class="">http://ca.inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inte" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inte</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://r.net/" class="">r.net</a><<a href="http://r.net/" class="">http://r.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter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a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">/>><<a href="http://city.com<http://city.com/>>" class="">http://city.com<http://city.com/>></a>> or even <city.ccTLD> second level</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">domain names.  They still have no such legal right at any level of the DNS.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Some governments' fantasy to own such rights is just that, fantasy.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To be sure, ICANN is not the proper body to grant governments such a right.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">But unfortunately, ICANN went far too far in the last round kowtowing to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">governments, and requiring the "non-objection" letter.  That led to outright</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">extortion by such well known geographic areas as SPA and BAR, among others,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">who had nothing more that a fantasy to control TLD rights to that name, plus</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ICANN's ill-advised, non-community-consensus requirement of the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">non-objection letter.  As I recall (and I could be wrong and will eat my</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">shoe), that was an ICANN Staff implementation gift, not part of the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">consensus policy passed by GNSO and the Board.  Even if it was, it was</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ill-advised then, and should be eliminated for future rounds.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Country codes have been given special status in the DNS with ccTLDs and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">correspondent restrictions at the second level of the New gTLDs.  That was</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">an original gift to national governments, extended stupidly to the second</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">level by ICANN in the last round, solely to appease government</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">obstructionists in that last round.  Subsidiary governments need to get over</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">this; they don't have further rights to "their" name in the DNS.  Period.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Paris, France has no greater rights to .PARIS than Paris, Texas.  Or Paris</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Hilton.  Period.  But I would love to hear them fight out that issue.  ICANN</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">certainly should not have predetermined it in favor of France or Texas, to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the detriment of Ms. Hilton (and so many other legitimate users of the word</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Paris).  All three of those parties (at least) had equal rights to that TLD,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">and should have been put into a contention set to resolve it.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">In substantial part, governments continue to rehash arguments made by IGOs</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">in the various IGO Names policy discussions.  Those IGOs get nowhere with</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the broader GNSO community because they only have fantasy rights to "their"</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">names (in many cases) and acronyms (in almost all cases).  So they scream to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the Board and have delayed finality in those discussions for half a decade</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">already.  But the GNSO is never going to agree with them, and the GNSO has</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">primary TLD policy responsibility under the Bylaws, not the GAC.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Eventually, the Board must side with the GNSO, though they will put that off</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">forever if they can, as they have done with IGO Names issues.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">This GNSO group ought not be considering government pressure or fantasy</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">rights.  If the Board wants to do so, that is their prerogative.  We need to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">develop policy in the real world, where governments coexist with businesses</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">and other users of "their" names.  They have done so for 30 years.  I am</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">confident in stating that not a single government has fallen, nor even been</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">harmed, by the ability of absolutely anyone to register "their" name at the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">second level or at the top level.  Until any such harm is shown, why are we</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">even discussing this?  What problem are we trying to solve, exactly?</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">RODENBAUGH LAW</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/>" class="">http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/></a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:28 PM,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://om.admin.ch/" class="">om.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://om.admin.ch/" class="">http://om.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://min.ch/" class="">min.ch</a><<a href="http://min.ch/" class="">http://min.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin</a>.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ch<<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><ma</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ilto:<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<a href="http://bakom.admin.ch/" class="">http://bakom.admin.ch</a>>>>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear all</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The fundamental flaw with such an approach is that it forgets that TLDs are</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">unique. There can be only one TLD with a given city name. there can be only</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">one delegation of such a string.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">City governments have political, social, historical, economic and legal</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">responsibilities over their cities, and have (at least in Switzerland and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">other countries) rights on the names of their cities. There might be several</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">cities with the same name, but under the 2012 AGB you had to obtain the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">non-objection from all of them if that was the case.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">As for brands there may be unlimited numbers of business names and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">trademarks that use a given city name, usually as part of their names (e.g.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">City “insurances”, City “salami”, City “whatever”…) and with figurative</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">elements beyond the name as such (the color, the font, symbols, etc.). For</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">instance in Switzerland you are not allowed to register a city name as such</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">as a business name – because this would mean that a private business is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">monopolizing that geographic name.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Hence the crux, resolved in 2012 by the non-objection letter, was that</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">several interests (public interests of a wide spectrum represented by the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">cities, community interests and multiple commercial interests in the form of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">brands) may converge on one string, one city name, one TLD.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The non-objection letter was and is in our view a good way to get the more</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">specific interests backing one application to a table with those who</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">represent the corresponding city (and its public policy interests), in order</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to try to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution…</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best regards</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Jorge</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Von: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nces@icann.org" class="">nces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nces@icann.org" class="">mailto:nces@icann.org</a>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-new</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bo</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:unces@icann.org" class="">unces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:unces@icann.org" class="">mailto:unces@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>><mailto:gnso-</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.or" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.or</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">g><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-b</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ounces@icann.org" class="">ounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:ounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:ounces@icann.org</a>>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.o" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.o</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">rg<<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>>>] Im Auftrag von Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2018 06:27</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">An: Marita Moll</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mai</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">lto:<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="http://ca.inter.net/" class="">http://ca.inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.int" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.int</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://er.net/" class="">er.net</a><<a href="http://er.net/" class="">http://er.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mailto:mmoll@ca.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://inter.net/" class="">inter.net</a><<a href="http://inter.net/" class="">http://inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><mailto:mmol</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:l@ca.inter.net" class="">l@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:l@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:l@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>><mailto:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>><mailto:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:gn</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">We need to distinguish between two major groups of potential use cases that</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">arise when there is an application for a string that (among other things) is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">a geographic term:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">1.  The Geo Case:  The case where a new gTLD applicant want to operate the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">gTLD as a "geographic" TLD (e.g., .berlin, .nyc, .africa) 2.  The Non-Geo</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Case: The case where a new gTLD wants to operate the gTLD as something other</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">than a geographic TLD -- a .brand, a generic gTLD, a restricted gTLD (e.g.,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">.tata, .spa, .amazon, .patagonia)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">For the Geo Case, it may be that there are few instances where</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">support/non-objection letters caused problems in the 2012 round.  One</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">"problem" instance is .africa.  One would have to look at the universe of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">cases to determine whether all the rest worked well or not.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">For the Non-Geo Case, it is clear that there were multiple instances where</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">support/non-objection letters or similar exercises of power did cause</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">problems.  We can start with all four of the examples I've cited above.  I</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">would be curious to know if there were Non-Geo Cases that didn't have</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">problems.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I think we have to consider these use cases separately.  The considerations</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">that apply when a TLD will be operated as a geo TLD (e.g., Roma for Romans)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">do not apply when the TLD will be operated for other purposes (e.g.,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">.sandwich for a food-related TLD -- Sandwich, MA was incorporated in 1639</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">and named after Sandwich, England, which is obviously older).  Blending them</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">together just obscures the issues.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:30 PM, Marita Moll</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mai</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">lto:<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="http://ca.inter.net/" class="">http://ca.inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.int" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.int</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://er.net/" class="">er.net</a><<a href="http://er.net/" class="">http://er.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><mailto:mmoll@ca.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://inter.net/" class="">inter.net</a><<a href="http://inter.net/" class="">http://inter.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><mailto:mmol</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:l@ca.inter.net" class="">l@ca.inter.net</a><<a href="mailto:l@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:l@ca.inter.net</a>><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" class="">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Yes, cities can have long history in older cultures -- wars were fought and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">people died over them.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">In Canada, municipal governments are subdivisions of their province. While</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">they have autonomy on most decisions, all by-laws passed are subject to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">change by the provincial government at any time. So cities exist at the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">pleasure of the provincial governments.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Leaves one to wonder if the province could deny the city the right to it's</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">TLD.:-( This is a pretty slippery slope......</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Marita</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On 5/2/2018 11:17 AM, Yrjö Länsipuro wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear all,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cities have been founded, incorporated and given various privileges -</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">including their names - in the course of history by kings and emperors and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">other assorted authorities, and in my non-lawyer´s mind, documents attesting</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to those acts, scribbled on parchment or whatever, are the legal basis. More</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">important, from end-users´ point of view, is the political ownership felt by</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the citizens.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">For reference,  attached please find an excerpt of the founding document  of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">my home city Tampere/Tammerfors in 1779, signed by king Gustaf III.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Best,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Yrjö</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="cid:image001.png@01D3E2D4.C11E9F30]" class="">cid:image001.png@01D3E2D4.C11E9F30]</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">________________________________</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@ic</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://ann.org/" class="">ann.org</a><<a href="http://ann.org/" class="">http://ann.org</a>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">-<a href="mailto:wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@i</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="http://cann.org/" class="">cann.org</a><<a href="http://cann.org/" class="">http://cann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>>><mailto:gnso-newgtl</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><mai</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">lto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">@<a href="http://icann.org" class="">icann.org</a><<a href="http://icann.org/" class="">http://icann.org</a>>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-newgtl</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:d-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mai</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">lto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>>>> on behalf of Alexander</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Schubert</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a><mailto:alexander</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">@schubert.berlin>>><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a><mailto:alexander@schube</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">rt.berlin><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><mailto</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">:<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 5:16 PM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:gn</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:gn</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>><mailto:gn</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:so-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:gns</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:o-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">o-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:o-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:o-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dear Greg,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">You write:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">      “…..but a ‘first right’ based on a geographic name is troublesome on</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">several levels. But one fundamental question jumps out -- what right is this</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">first right based on?”</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">If we talk about sizeable (or otherwise “important”) cities:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Nobody has a “first right” obviously. Why should anybody. But if a string is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">(should be) poised to serve as identifier for a sizeable amount of people</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">(e.g. larger cities) – I think we do not have to search for “international</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">law”; it should be self-evident that such an infrastructure resource like a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">city-gTLD is NOT assigned lightly to “some entity” – but that the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">representatives of the city are looped in. There is morality and a “sense of</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">common good” OUTSIDE of established law. At least in Good Old Europe.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">But I completely agree with you if we talk about “minor” geographical</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">entities – such as a small stream or a hill. Or a tiny dwelling somewhere in</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the nowhere. Especially if there is an entity that is MUCH better known to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">the public (e.g. a well-known brand  vs. a small mountain) or if it is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">identical to a generic term: “.new” and the New River.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">The big question is: How do we policy the line that separates the entities</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">that deserve “protection” from the rest? A repository? Lists of any sort?</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Population size? Or maybe a panel that decides case by case (caution: Beauty</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">contest alarm)? But having no protections at all is not going to work. To</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">LOWER the already low bar is bonkers in my mind. I wish GAC would pay more</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">attention – there are forces trying to take away DNS infrastructure from The</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">People.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Thanks,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Alexander.berlin</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nces@icann.org" class="">nces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nces@icann.org" class="">mailto:nces@icann.org</a>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><mailto:gnso-new</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bo</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:unces@icann.org" class="">unces@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:unces@icann.org" class="">mailto:unces@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>>>] On Behalf</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Of Greg Shatan</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 7:42 AM</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">To: David Cake</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><mailto</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">:<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><mail</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to:<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="http://davecake.net/" class="">http://davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>>>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><m</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ailto:<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="http://davecake.net/" class="">http://davecake.net</a>>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>>>></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Cc: leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>><mailto:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><mailto:g</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><<a href="mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>>>><mailto</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.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ass=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Greg</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:48 PM, David Cake</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><mailto</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">:<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><mail</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">to:<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="http://davecake.net/" class="">http://davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><ma</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">ilto:<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="http://davecake.net/" class="">http://davecake.net</a>>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>><</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>><<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a><</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">mailto:dave@davecake.net</a>>>>>> wrote:</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Perth is not even unique within Australia, there is a small town in</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Tasmania. But the point about ambiguity remaining even if we restrict it to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">concepts like ‘capital’ is a very good one.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">David (resident of the Western Australian Perth)</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">On 30 Apr 2018, at 1:18 pm, Liz Williams</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><mailto:liz.willia</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:ms@auda.org.au" class="">ms@auda.org.au</a><<a href="mailto:ms@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:ms@auda.org.au</a>><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">mailto:liz.williams@aud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.  It is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">not the capital city of Australia as Canberra has that honour.  Relying on a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">“is the word a capital city” question is fraught with difficulty.   It is</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">difficult because Perth, Scotland, has at a bare minimum had city status</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">since the 12th century, far longer than Perth, Australia which also has an</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">indigenous place name, its colonial name and a migrant demographic where the</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">largest majority of Perth residents come from England.  Things are</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">complicated by the existence of Perth in Canada which, in its own right, has</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">some features of a capital and, at the very least, some important historic</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">linkages.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">And then we turn to the generic words which Jon Nevett highlighted in a</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">previous post (Bath, Save, New) which are also place names.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">That leads us to what can we usefully and objectively recommend as treatment</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">of other names which are also linked to places and how those could be</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">treated as top level domains.  As a starting point, my recommendation would</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">be that we don’t have any special treatment for place names as TLDs and that</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">applicants for those names would be evaluated against other business and</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">technical criteria just like another application.  However, we might want to</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">think about better ways of handling an objection.  Those objections, from</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">whatever quarter, need to be treated in exactly the same way.  I don’t</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">recommend “letters of support or non-objection”.  They are too subjective,</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">fraught with movable political nuance and, in some cases, deeply sensitive</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">geo-political facts (using Jerusalem as the example).</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">I look forward to hearing the views of others.</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Liz</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">….</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">.au Domain Administration Ltd</span><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="">M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757</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