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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi. I only suggested
the 1M because there is already an official list -- and it is a
pretty long list! It is a starting point only. We would have to
accommodate for smaller sizes, set further conditions for
smaller cities -- a capital, a percentage of population of the
country perhaps. To me, just getting the elephants out of the
room makes the job more manageable.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/2018 9:50 AM, Alexander Schubert
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Hi Marita,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Obviously
(if we go the route of a cut-off size) we would have to get
suggestions for the amount of inhabitants. A MILLION people
city (even if measured by the metropolitan area) is in my
mind WAY too big. This would be a quite short list – and
leaves too many out in the rain. Living in the Baltics: a
Million people is half Latvia or almost entire Estonia. No
Baltic city would be protected – and I can rattle off at
least 5 in Latvia alone that would not be happy about it. Or
look at Switzerland: I am pretty sure that they will go for
a NUMBER of city gTLDs over time – yet NONE of their cities
has a million people! Not even NEAR. <br>
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I see no harm to set the cut-off size to an amount between
10k and 50k people. It is very unlikely that too many
“brands” or “generic string” applications would be affected
(they can still apply ; just need the letter) – and while
weeding out the masses of smallish places it still provides
ample protections to places with sizeable population. At 50k
or below obviously we would talk about the “proper city”
size – not the metropolitan area.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Marita Moll<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2018 4:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference
call: city names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Just bringing us back to this possible solution -- we don't
have to reinvent the wheel. We could set the size of a city at
1 million or more residents within the metropolitan area as
identified by the U.N. -- i.e. <a
href="http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/urbanization/the_worlds_cities_in_2016_data_booklet.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/urbanization/the_worlds_cities_in_2016_data_booklet.pdf</a>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think
anything this large has some inherent rights that a shoe
company (or any other commercial venture) would not have.
Cities satisfying this condition would be on a priority list.
This would cover a large swath of the problems re city gTLDs.
For the rest, I agree with Alexander's points below. <br>
<br>
Marita Moll<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/7/2018 2:25 PM, Alexander Schubert
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think there is already a valid solution
on the table:<br>
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A population size cut-off: A city gets only “priority” if it
has more than “X” inhabitants. And ONLY all cities with
identical name and more than “X” inhabitants have to provide
a letter! Easy solution – and MUCH better than depriving ALL
inhabitants of ALL cities of their ability to identify
themselves via their city gTLD: one that is approved by the
city and therefore likely an effort by the constituents of
said city: and not some money-hungry “gTLD investors” which
want to flood the market with THOUSANDS of uniform gTLDs as
profit centers and cash cows.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander.berlin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 07, 2018 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>;
<a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>; <a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference
call: city names<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If your
proposal really is that every city in the world that has
Athens in its name must sign off on who gets Athens or
that the city of Sandwich MA (as small but pleasant place
BTW) can stop the delegation of Sandwich, I disagree.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My feasible
solution is simple – nobody gets priority. When/If the
.sandwich TLD is offered up, everyone should get notice of
that fact. We might even send as special invitatation to
Sandwich MA and Sandwich, UK (and any other Sandwichs out
there) all of who can, if they choose, submit
applications. The one that meets the criteria best, gets
the TLD, just like in any other auction. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Works quite
well. And if the .Sandwich folks run afoul of local
Sandwich law in the UK, they’ll have to deal with it in
the UK. Your proposal that “it is up to the parties” to
get the best result is exactly right. The problem is that
you would give Lucerne a veto power. Everyone who studies
economics knows that this sort of priority causes
rent-seeking, distorts markets and is economically
counter-productive. I understand why Lucerne wants to
export its rights globally. I would too in their
position. But recognizing local law applied locally is
not the same as giving global effect to Swiss law.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paul
Rosenzweig</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">M: +1 (202)
329-9650</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">VOIP: +1
(202) 738 1739</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>
<<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 7, 2018 9:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>; <a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference
call: city names<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="DE-CH">Dear
Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="DE-CH"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for
dropping that „international law“ „requirement”. It
certainly would be useful if you also considered the
importance of the Bylaws provision that ICANN has to act
in conformity with applicable local law. You may not like
that, but it is a fact of the framework we work with.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Apart from
that, as far as I know this discussion about “letter of
non-objection” is about obtaining a non-objection from the
relevant public authorities. If there are multiple cities
with the very same name, from all of them equally, as is
provided for in the AGB.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Obtaining the
letter of non-objection is a requirement for the
application to go forward, but does not give you a “right”
to the TLD – that will depend on complying with all the
other requirements and going through all the process. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">And obtaining
such a letter is open to any interested applicants, be it
brand owners with interests on trademarks which may
coincide with that city name, be it communities, be it
private business, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It is up to
the parties to come up with the best agreement in their
shared interest.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would
appreciate that you would propose constructive and
feasible solutions that would respect the interests and
rights of cities in their names. Just ignoring such
interests and rights is the best recipe for protracted
conflicts between applicants and relevant public
authorities, which is something we have seen happening in
some applications regarding terms with geographic
significance not falling under the “non-objection” rule.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jorge </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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