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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks to Yrjo for sharing this info!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regarding the question of thresholds on size, I feel that before jumping into possible solutions we would first need
to know where problems were identified in the 2012 AGB round, obtaining the views of both applicants and relevant public authorities – on an as factual basis as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Yrjö Länsipuro<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. Mai 2018 15:21<br>
<b>An:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Just for reference, here's the link to the comments of the Council European Municipalities and Regions (CEMR) to AGB v.3 (2009).
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.ccre.org/img/uploads/piecesjointe/filename/CEMR_response_gtld_EN.pdf" id="LPlnk419172">http://www.ccre.org/img/uploads/piecesjointe/filename/CEMR_response_gtld_EN.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#666666">COUNCIL OF EUROPEAN MUNICIPALITIES AND REGIONS CONSEIL DES COMMUNES ET REGIONS D’EUROPE CEMR Comments on ICANN’s
draft version 3 of the New gTLD Applicant Guidebook ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I'm grateful to Tommi Karttaavi of the Association of Finnish Local and Regional Authorities, who actually drafted these comments, for digging up this bit of institutional memory. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Yrjö<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2018 4:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Just bringing us back to this possible solution -- we don't have to reinvent the wheel. We could set the size of a city at 1 million or more residents within the metropolitan area as identified by the U.N.
-- i.e. <a href="http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/urbanization/the_worlds_cities_in_2016_data_booklet.pdf" id="LPlnk5783">
http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/urbanization/the_worlds_cities_in_2016_data_booklet.pdf</a>
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I think anything this large has some inherent rights that a shoe company (or any other commercial venture) would not have. Cities satisfying
this condition would be on a priority list. This would cover a large swath of the problems re city gTLDs. For the rest, I agree with Alexander's points below.
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Marita Moll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On 5/7/2018 2:25 PM, Alexander Schubert wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I think there is already a valid solution on the table:<br>
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A population size cut-off: A city gets only “priority” if it has more than “X” inhabitants. And ONLY all cities with identical name and more than “X” inhabitants have to provide a letter! Easy solution – and MUCH better than depriving ALL inhabitants of ALL
cities of their ability to identify themselves via their city gTLD: one that is approved by the city and therefore likely an effort by the constituents of said city: and not some money-hungry “gTLD investors” which want to flood the market with THOUSANDS of
uniform gTLDs as profit centers and cash cows.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks,<br>
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Alexander.berlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" id="LPlnk626754">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 07, 2018 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" id="LPlnk109239">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>;
<a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no" id="LPlnk890608">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" id="LPlnk737797">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If your proposal really is that every city in the world that has Athens in its name must sign off on who gets Athens or that the city of Sandwich MA
(as small but pleasant place BTW) can stop the delegation of Sandwich, I disagree.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My feasible solution is simple – nobody gets priority. When/If the .sandwich TLD is offered up, everyone should get notice of that fact. We might even
send as special invitatation to Sandwich MA and Sandwich, UK (and any other Sandwichs out there) all of who can, if they choose, submit applications. The one that meets the criteria best, gets the TLD, just like in any other auction.
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Works quite well. And if the .Sandwich folks run afoul of local Sandwich law in the UK, they’ll have to deal with it in the UK. Your proposal that
“it is up to the parties” to get the best result is exactly right. The problem is that you would give Lucerne a veto power. Everyone who studies economics knows that this sort of priority causes rent-seeking, distorts markets and is economically counter-productive.
I understand why Lucerne wants to export its rights globally. I would too in their position. But recognizing local law applied locally is not the same as giving global effect to Swiss law.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul Rosenzweig</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">M: +1 (202) 329-9650</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" id="LPlnk655662">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a> <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" id="LPlnk968531">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 7, 2018 9:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" id="LPlnk117518">
paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>; <a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no" id="LPlnk881041">
annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" id="LPlnk327535">
gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Paul</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for dropping that „international law“ „requirement”. It certainly would be useful if you also considered the importance of the Bylaws provision
that ICANN has to act in conformity with applicable local law. You may not like that, but it is a fact of the framework we work with.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Apart from that, as far as I know this discussion about “letter of non-objection” is about obtaining a non-objection from the relevant public authorities.
If there are multiple cities with the very same name, from all of them equally, as is provided for in the AGB.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Obtaining the letter of non-objection is a requirement for the application to go forward, but does not give you a “right” to the TLD – that will depend
on complying with all the other requirements and going through all the process. </span>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And obtaining such a letter is open to any interested applicants, be it brand owners with interests on trademarks which may coincide with that city name,
be it communities, be it private business, etc.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It is up to the parties to come up with the best agreement in their shared interest.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I would appreciate that you would propose constructive and feasible solutions that would respect the interests and rights of cities in their names. Just
ignoring such interests and rights is the best recipe for protracted conflicts between applicants and relevant public authorities, which is something we have seen happening in some applications regarding terms with geographic significance not falling under
the “non-objection” rule.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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