<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jeff,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I will disagree with one statement you made:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">

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<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I suppose it depends on how you define "impacted governments."  If every geographical term, no matter how obscure, results in an "impacted government," then I disagree vehemently.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On the other hand, if we are first going to define some small subset of geographic terms (e.g., names of countries) where there will be an "impacted government," then I probably agree.  But this is predicated on the idea that the vast majority of strings with geographic meanings will not create "impacted governments."  Otherwise, if Bill and Hillary Clinton want to apply for .Clinton, they will need to "somehow have a consultation" with the 30 "impacted governments" of the 30 Clintons in the United States -- and maybe elsewhere. That can't be right.  I'll note that Alexander Schubert proposed some sort of minimum population size; while I'm not endorsing that, it shows that the statement quoted above is at the very least, far too broad, and that the result will not be a consultation every time a string shows up in the index to to an atlas.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Liz Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" target="_blank">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



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<div>You have raised some interesting points.  Another question to add is what happens when the intended use changes?  </div>
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<div>For example, the business which was the original intention looks difficult and the operator has to modify the original business plan?</div>
<div>Or the business is sold?  There have been many examples of strings which have been repurposed (tv, la, co spring immediately to mind) and others that have changed hands (where the operator changes)?</div>
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<div>Are we satisfied that from a policy perspective that, for example, the public interest commitments system worked/s?</div>
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<div>Is a better/stronger Specification 13 the way to solve “intended use” question or something else?</div>
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<div>Looking forward to other ideas/questions/discussion.</div>
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<div>On 8 May 2018, at 1:05 am, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Just wanted to get a new thread going just on the concept of “intended use” of a TLD since there has been some good discussion on this narrow topic and thought it may be a good jumping off place to put some ideas out there for discussion. <u></u><u></u></div>
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Some have stated that the “intended use” of a gTLD should be considered when looking at whether governments (national/local, etc.) should have to issue a letter of non-objection / consent as a condition of the gTLD application being accepted.  For example,
 if a TLD applicant does not intended to use the TLD for purposes associated with the geographic connotation of the string, then they argue that the geographic government should not have the final word on whether the TLD is granted.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Others have stated that “intended use” of the TLD is irrelevant or not helpful given the fact that only one organization is granted the right to operate and administer the TLD.  And that being the case, consideration should be given to the political, legal,
 historical, etc. connotations for the communities affected.  Some countries have laws protecting the use of those names regardless of use, according to some commenters.<u></u><u></u></div>
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It seems like no one is arguing against the notion of trying to somehow have a consultation between the applicant(s) and the impacted governments to the extent possible.  But having a presumption one way or the other (either that a letter of non-objection/consent
 be required or a presumption in favor of delegation) is not something there is agreement on.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Is it possible, however, to come up with a solution that is outside of the box? <u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_-1926926924719456100MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Can we have consultations where the ultimate outcome is not pre-ordained, but still provide incentives for all of the parties to “come to the table” to express concerns, but also provide ways in which those concerns can be mitigated? <span class="m_-1926926924719456100Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_-1926926924719456100MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Are there ways to allow the delegation of the TLD, but also address the concerns of the impacted governments? <u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_-1926926924719456100MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Could this include agreements to allow the use of second level strings (or the reservation of second level strings) where there is an inherent association with the government / local community?<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_-1926926924719456100MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
For brand TLDs, there is a requirement currently that all registrations be registered to the brands (or their affiliates / licensees) in order to maintain their Specification 13 protections?  Can there be an exception granted for ones that coincide with a geographic
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Are there any other parameters that can be established to help guide consultations to prevent the perception as expressed by some that governments will try to extract payments in exchange for the right to be the registry of the TLD?<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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I am not expressing a view one way or the other on this issue, but merely recognizing that arguments are being made on both sides on the utility of “intended use.”  And I would be curious to see if we could flush this out at all?<u></u><u></u></div>
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