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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>While I think it always provides insight to examine the past – I am sure that the geo gTLD (and there especially the city gTLD) space will change DRAMATICALLY. We will have tons of newcomers joining the market – entities within cities that want to repeat the success of current registries.<br><br>I think the entire “intended use” clause made some kind of sense (and did not create much damage) in the past round. But my gut feeling tells me it would be heavily exploited: in some cases inadvertently – in others maliciously. Especially when brands or registries are “sold”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My suggestion is to get rid of the “intended use” provision – and in return dramatically limit the amount of cities protected (via population size cut-off). Inhabitants of a city might want one day to identify themselves through “their” gTLD – and they couldn’t care less whether the applicant is a brand or not. By having a population size cut-off there won’t be many generic terms or brands affected – and they STILL might apply: just need that letter. But we could get rid of the intended use!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Katrin’s mentioned Wikipedia is a initial go-to instance – something I am recommending since quite a time. Nobody can claim they won’t know who is using the desired string for what.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jeff Neuman [mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2018 8:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch; alexander@schubert.berlin; gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jorge,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Appreciate the feedback. Just a couple of questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You state:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#1F497D;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>“As to the dozen names that did <b>not </b>fall under the geonames provisions</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>, there I agree that we had and still have around problematic cases. In fact, as said, I believe that those problems were due to the lack of the non-objection requirement, i.e. applicants apparently did not have enough incentives to seek an agreement/non-objection from the affected public authorities, with the ensuing problems we all know…”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>However, others have stated that they believe the problems stem from (1) lack of knowledge that the name in question would be considered by anyone to be geographic, (2) the belief that since they were not planning on using the name in a geographic sense they did not need to seek any form of non-objection, nor did they know from whom to get such a letter, and (3) lack of an incentive for the relevant governmental authority to even come to the table to discuss the application or to agree to write such a letter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To push back a little on “Intended Use.” I agree with you that up until now, TLDs have been considered a “Unique” resource and therefore the fact that only one party gets complete rights to the TLD has been a stumbling block to the discussions of Intended Use.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>What if that wasn’t the case? What if there were ways to allow uses of the TLD by the applicant, but in some way also allowing the applicable government to also get some use?</span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l4 level2 lfo2'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I do know of at least one situation (which I am not sure is publicly known….so cannot go into detail) where two parties had an interest in a particular TLD and arrangements were made to ensure both parties were entitled in some ways to use the space.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=3 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On the data collection question, specifically, what data are you seeking? I can start with the following (some of which we have):<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:54.0pt'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:54.0pt'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Question 1<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=3 type=1><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>How many applications were there for geographic terms (as such terms were defined in the Guidebook)?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of those in question a, how many of those required either a letter of consent or letter of non-objection.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the ones in b that required a letter, how many obtained that letter?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of those in c, how many of those letters met the requirements set forth in the Guidebook?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of those in d, how many of them entered into a contract?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of those in e, how many of them were delegated.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:54.0pt'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Question 2</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>How many applications were there that were for geographic terms that were not indicated as such in the Guidebook? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of those applications in a, how many of those applications received one or more early warnings? If they received n early warning, who issued them and what were the reasons given?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications in a which of those applications received formal GAC Advice? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>d.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications in a, which applications, if any, received non-consensus GAC advice, and what were the reasons given?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>e.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications mentioned in b, c, and d above, were any of those applications withdrawn? If so, were reasons stated for their withdrawal?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>f.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications mentioned in b, c, and d above, were any of those applications terminated by ICANN (“will not proceed”). Of those, which applications are still on hold pending the final outcome of an accountability mechanism?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>g.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications in b, c, and d, have any applications been subsequently accepted and approved to move forward? If so, which ones?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>h.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications in b that received early warnings, have any of the applicants agreed to additional commitments, or formal public interest commitments as a result of the early warnings?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>i.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications in b that received early warnings, or c that received Consensus GAC Advice or non-consensus advice, which applicants were able to have discussions with the applicable governments prior to the issuance of Early Warnings, GAC Advice, or non-consensus GAC advice?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>j.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of the applications in b that received early warnings, or c that received Consensus GAC Advice or non-consensus advice, which applicants were able to have discussions with the applicable governments after the issuance of Early Warnings, GAC Advice, or non-consensus GAC advice, but prior to ultimate resolution? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I can see constructing a table with the following columns for strings considered to be “geographic”:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>String<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Current Status (Delegated, Withdrawn, Terminated by ICANN, Pending Accountability Mechanism)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Applicant / Registry Operator<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Was the string classified as geographic in the AGB? (Yes or No)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If yes, under which section?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Did the string require a letter of non-objection / consent in the AGB?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If a letter was required, was such a letter obtained? (Yes or no)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If the string was not explicitly classified as geographic in the AGB, was their an “intended use” of the string enumerated in the Application?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For those in #8 above, indicate whether the strings “intended use” was as an open TLD (also includes Open restricted), Brand TLD, community TLD, or geographic TLD.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Did the string pass the geographic evaluation panel (Yes, no, or N/A)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Did the string receive one or more Early Warnings? (yes or no) – If so, from who?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Did the string receive formal GAC Advice?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Notes</span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></li><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level2 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This section would include records of any discussions that may have taken place and are publicly known.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This would be just a start </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif'>😊</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Jeffrey J. 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Otherwise we are just talking about opinions, guesses and hypothesis. The data is out there and staff could help gather that information, including the views of applicants and relevant public authorities. That data could help us to improve the letter of non-objection system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As to the dozen names that did <b>not </b>fall under the geonames provisions</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>, there I agree that we had and still have around problematic cases. In fact, as said, I believe that those problems were due to the lack of the non-objection requirement, i.e. applicants apparently did not have enough incentives to seek an agreement/non-objection from the affected public authorities, with the ensuing problems we all know…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As to the incentives</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>: as far as I know most public authorities do not run the TLDs for themselves. But they have a general interest in their name and want to have a say in the process (for reasons already explained in detail). On the other hand we have the applicant with a specific, direct interest and a business model. You have two different kinds of interests converging on one unique resource. The non-objection letter gets the applicant onto a table with the public authorities. And the non-objection may be sought after by anyone: brands, communities, businesses, academia, ngos (if they have the money!)… The non-objection just means that the public authority is OK with their plans after their conversation. It does not give any further priority, but means that the public interests represented by that public authority have been satisfactorily considered – which may take many different forms depending on the city (laisser faire; participate in the governance; follow some conditions, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As to intended use</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>: I refer back to my summary of the issue, shared by many colleagues from all SO/ACs here, where it is explained why such a distinction is not helpful when we are talking about a unique resource.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jorge <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jeff Neuman [<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com">mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. Mai 2018 15:40<br><b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>; <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jorge,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>By “priority”, I also mean without a “default rule” where one party gets a veto right (by not writing a letter of non-objection or refusing to grant consent).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am not taking a side here, just trying to get an out of box solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jorge – For the 60+ that you mention, there were at least a dozen if not more examples of terms that were not included in the AGB, where problems with predictability were identified. Some of those are still in accountability mechanisms. Plus, most of the 60+ that you refer to were applications for geo-related terms where the TLDs intended use was for that geographic area (eg. Nyc, berlin, boston, London, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have not seen any dispute with the notion that if someone wants to use a geoterm in conjunction with the geographic area they should get some sort of letter of consent or non-objection. If I am wrong, please weigh in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It is with respect to those terms that match a geoterm but are not intended to be used in conjunction with the geographic area.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Senior Vice President </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>|</span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209'>Valideus USA</span></b><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830'> </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>| </span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830'>Com Laude USA</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>Mclean, VA 22102, United States<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>E: </span><u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050'><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com"><span style='color:#00B050'>jeff.neuman@valideus.com</span></a></span></u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959'> or </span><u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050'><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span style='color:#00B050'>jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a></span></u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>T: +1.703.635.7514<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>M: +1.202.549.5079<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>@Jintlaw<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a> <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2018 9:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> AW: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As said before, non-objection does not equal to priority. It is a requirement for an application to go forward. The incentives for compromise seem to have been there when 60+ applications went through successfully. If there is a problem with the incentive structure we should base that on factual analysis of what happened in the last round, listening to both applicants and relevant public authorities involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jorge <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Jeff Neuman<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. Mai 2018 15:25<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks for this Alexander and for a proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So it seems like we have 2 different questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Which cities / regions are included in whatever process we develop.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For the cities/regions that are include in the process, what will that process be?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am trying to focus on <b>number 2</b> without involving the notion of “priority”? If we do not have a default that states that an applicant cannot have that term unless they get affirmative consent / non-objection nor do we have a default that the name is automatically given to the applicant without conditions, what are the other options?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If we put aside question 1 for the moment…I am trying to elicit responses to number 2 without using terms like priority. When one side has <u>priority</u> there is little incentive for any compromise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Senior Vice President </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>|</span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209'>Valideus USA</span></b><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830'> </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>| </span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830'>Com Laude USA</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>Mclean, VA 22102, United States<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>E: </span><u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050'><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com"><span style='color:#00B050'>jeff.neuman@valideus.com</span></a></span></u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959'> or </span><u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050'><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span style='color:#00B050'>jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a></span></u><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>T: +1.703.635.7514<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>M: +1.202.549.5079<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F'>@Jintlaw<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2018 8:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear group,<br><br>Greg’s point is very valid – and in fact has been raised by many others as well:<br><br>There has to be a sufficient amount of people (or other metric that establishes “relevance”) being affiliated with a place to grant them the privilege of being looped into the application process (via letter of non-objection).<br>We are working off the 2012 AGB. Per 2.2.1.4.2 only strings identical to these entities require “Government Support” (letter of non-objection):<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Capital City (in any language) – irrelevant to its size! <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sub-national place names as listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard (caused problems with .bar, .tata and others in 2012) – again: irrelevant to its size! The U.S. has listed only a few (namely their States), but others have listed insane amounts of tiny places. Population size-wise a very inconsistent list in my mind.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>UNESCO regions. URL: <a href="https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/">https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/</a> then click “Geographic regions”. These names shouldn’t pose any problem – no overlapping with other places or brands here.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>CITIES! Last not least: City names. While the first three are fairly overseeable and lists exist – this last category is slightly “murky” – and that is PRECISELY why we are primarily talking about that category: it is the ONLY one of the 2012 AGB that provides a base for discussion really.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the U.S. alone there are over 3,000 “cities” with more than 10,000 people – and 19,500 places in total. India has over 4,000 cities with more than 10k people as well. I can’t find reliable statistics – but there must be in excess of 50,000 cities globally with more than 10,000 people. Now imagine you lower that bar to 5,000!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We will need a proposal to “limit” the number of cities (and in my mind the “Sub-national place names as listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard” as well) in respect to the requirement for a letter of non-objection. Only if a city has enough inhabitants (or is otherwise very important, e.g. because it is the capital) enough affiliated people are deprived of their chance to express themselves via their own self-managed gTLD. And quite frankly: Even if I am a very daring person when it comes to gTLD applications (.berlin WAS “daring” in 2005, so was .gay in 2009) – I simply completely fail to imagine that cities smaller than 10,000 people would ever apply for their own gTLD. There might be singular cases (Aspen!) – but policy will ALWAYS have to balance between protections and burdens. And obviously anybody can still apply for any super tiny city if they wish: but most likely that application will be funded and operated by city constituents anyway – and NOT by portfolio applicants: you can’t “make profit” of a city gTLD when there are only less than 10k people. So we are good with “warehousing” and fight off profiteers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hence my suggestion (again – please don’t beat me):<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We define a cut-off size “X”. My gut feeling says somewhere between 10,000 and 50,000 people. Maybe others here could chime in!<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Any gTLD applicant (regardless of intended use!) that applies for an identical string will have to acquire a letter of non-objection from EACH city with more than “X” inhabitants. That limits the burden for city applicants and generic string / brand applicants as well!<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I suggest that the cut-off rule applies for “Sub-national place names as listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard”, too.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If we want to avoid a “beauty contest” or “repositories” then I see no other metric than population size. And population size matters – as an underpopulated place simply can’t sustain their own gTLD (unless they are Aspen).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I think such compromise would ease the “pain” of the TM lobby – while it would sufficiently protect the interest of the people of cities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Alexander.berlin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2018 8:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> Liz Williams <<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I will disagree with one statement you made:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white'>It seems like no one is arguing against the notion of trying to somehow have a consultation between the applicant(s) and the impacted governments to the extent possible. </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I suppose it depends on how you define "impacted governments." If every geographical term, no matter how obscure, results in an "impacted government," then I disagree vehemently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On the other hand, if we are first going to define some small subset of geographic terms (e.g., names of countries) where there will be an "impacted government," then I probably agree. But this is predicated on the idea that the vast majority of strings with geographic meanings will not create "impacted governments." Otherwise, if Bill and Hillary Clinton want to apply for .Clinton, they will need to "somehow have a consultation" with the 30 "impacted governments" of the 30 Clintons in the United States -- and maybe elsewhere. That can't be right. I'll note that Alexander Schubert proposed some sort of minimum population size; while I'm not endorsing that, it shows that the statement quoted above is at the very least, far too broad, and that the result will not be a consultation every time a string shows up in the index to to an atlas.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Liz Williams <<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" target="_blank">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Jeff <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You have raised some interesting points. Another question to add is what happens when the intended use changes? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For example, the business which was the original intention looks difficult and the operator has to modify the original business plan?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or the business is sold? There have been many examples of strings which have been repurposed (tv, la, co spring immediately to mind) and others that have changed hands (where the operator changes)?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are we satisfied that from a policy perspective that, for example, the public interest commitments system worked/s?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is a better/stronger Specification 13 the way to solve “intended use” question or something else?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Looking forward to other ideas/questions/discussion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Liz <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Avenir;color:black'>….<br>Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs<br>.au Domain Administration Ltd<br>M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757<br>E: <a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" target="_blank">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a> <a href="http://www.auda.org.au" target="_blank">www.auda.org.au</a><br> <br>Important Notice<br>This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 8 May 2018, at 1:05 am, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Just wanted to get a new thread going just on the concept of “intended use” of a TLD since there has been some good discussion on this narrow topic and thought it may be a good jumping off place to put some ideas out there for discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Some have stated that the “intended use” of a gTLD should be considered when looking at whether governments (national/local, etc.) should have to issue a letter of non-objection / consent as a condition of the gTLD application being accepted. For example, if a TLD applicant does not intended to use the TLD for purposes associated with the geographic connotation of the string, then they argue that the geographic government should not have the final word on whether the TLD is granted.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Others have stated that “intended use” of the TLD is irrelevant or not helpful given the fact that only one organization is granted the right to operate and administer the TLD. And that being the case, consideration should be given to the political, legal, historical, etc. connotations for the communities affected. Some countries have laws protecting the use of those names regardless of use, according to some commenters.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It seems like no one is arguing against the notion of trying to somehow have a consultation between the applicant(s) and the impacted governments to the extent possible. But having a presumption one way or the other (either that a letter of non-objection/consent be required or a presumption in favor of delegation) is not something there is agreement on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Questions</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Is it possible, however, to come up with a solution that is outside of the box? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Can we have consultations where the ultimate outcome is not pre-ordained, but still provide incentives for all of the parties to “come to the table” to express concerns, but also provide ways in which those concerns can be mitigated? <span class=m-1926926924719456100apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Are there ways to allow the delegation of the TLD, but also address the concerns of the impacted governments? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Could this include agreements to allow the use of second level strings (or the reservation of second level strings) where there is an inherent association with the government / local community?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For brand TLDs, there is a requirement currently that all registrations be registered to the brands (or their affiliates / licensees) in order to maintain their Specification 13 protections? Can there be an exception granted for ones that coincide with a geographic string where certain second level strings that are inherently geographic can be registered by others?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo8'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Are there any other parameters that can be established to help guide consultations to prevent the perception as expressed by some that governments will try to extract payments in exchange for the right to be the registry of the TLD?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am not expressing a view one way or the other on this issue, but merely recognizing that arguments are being made on both sides on the utility of “intended use.” And I would be curious to see if we could flush this out at all?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347'>Jeffrey J. 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