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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for your feedback… here go some comments from my side:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As to
<b><u>the “dozen“</u></b> (of geonames not falling under the 2012 AGB…): we need more data. But on some of the cases the geographic connection seems at least intuitive, so it is difficult to accept that companies (especially big ones) were not aware of the
geographic connection after a minimal search, but perhaps there was one case or two where they didn’t know…
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">One important fact that remains is that the “letter of non objection” was not required under the AGB for these cases…
so there is fair degree of speculation with points (2) and (3) you mention. But info from applicants and relevant public authorities could help, I guess…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As for
<b><u>“intended use”:</u></b> the agreements coming out of the application of the “non-objection letter” can perfectly provide for co-use, for shared governance, for complying with conditions on the reputation of the name, for laisser-faire. That is left to
the parties. Perhaps the AGB could mention these examples or include info about success stories?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regarding
<b><u>the questions you suggest</u></b> I see that you have given a great deal of thought to it
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For the results to be as reliable and objective as possible I feel that -at least- the following
<u>basic requirements</u> should be met:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The data gathering is done by Staff under the direction of the co-leads<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The information gathered is easily traceable, i.e. specific URLs are provided and/or source documents are identified
publicly available under a wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Information sources are objective data (such as logs in the application process, from GDD), info from independent
third parties (IRP, Panels…). If information from a party is gathered, the other would need to be consulted and their feedback recorded. Hearsay, third party accounts should not be accepted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As to “question 2” I guess you are referring to applications for strings that had a geographic significance, but did
<b>not</b> fall under the 2012 AGB, right? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Which
<i>objective criteria</i> would be used to determine that we are talking in fact about a term with geographic significance not covered under the 2012 AGB? It would be good to have some clarity/common understanding about that…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Besides, I don’t fully understand the connection of question 2 h with the “letter of non-objection”, could you clarify?
As to 2 i) and j) it seems to me that the questions are maybe directing the responses in some way – questions should be as factual as possible (e.g. “did applicants have conversations with relevant public authorities?” instead of “which applicants were able
to have discussions with the applicable governments”; it would also be interesting to know whether “assistance from ICANN was sought in identifying the relevant public authorities?” “if yes, could the contact be established…”).</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">Finally, the
<u>scope</u> of the questionnaire should be very clear (i.e. country names and its variants are not in scope).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In any case, the resulting “table” should clearly separate the cases falling under the AGB 2012 provisions for geonames
and those that didn’t.</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And the data gathered should always clearly identify the geoname-type (e.g. “capital
city”, “city”, “subnational region”… or “non AGB 2012”) under the AGB 2012 we are talking about…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I guess that it would be important for others to look into it with detail and prepare this effort with care
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jorge
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jeff Neuman [mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mai 2018 19:31<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>; alexander@schubert.berlin; gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Appreciate the feedback. Just a couple of questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You state:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1F497D;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo3"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“As to the dozen names that did
<b>not </b>fall under the geonames provisions</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">, there I agree that we had and still have around problematic cases. In fact, as said, I believe that those problems were due
to the lack of the non-objection requirement, i.e. applicants apparently did not have enough incentives to seek an agreement/non-objection from the affected public authorities, with the ensuing problems we all know…”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">However, others have stated that they believe the problems stem from (1) lack of knowledge that the name in question would be considered by anyone to be geographic,
(2) the belief that since they were not planning on using the name in a geographic sense they did not need to seek any form of non-objection, nor did they know from whom to get such a letter, and (3) lack of an incentive for the relevant governmental authority
to even come to the table to discuss the application or to agree to write such a letter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To push back a little on “Intended Use.” I agree with you that up until now, TLDs have been considered a “Unique” resource and
therefore the fact that only one party gets complete rights to the TLD has been a stumbling block to the discussions of Intended Use.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What if that wasn’t the case? What if there were ways to allow uses of the TLD by the applicant, but in some way also allowing
the applicable government to also get some use?</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I do know of at least one situation (which I am not sure is publicly known….so cannot go into detail) where two parties had an
interest in a particular TLD and arrangements were made to ensure both parties were entitled in some ways to use the space.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On the data collection question, specifically, what data are you seeking? I can start with the following (some of which we have):<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question 1<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How many applications were there for geographic terms (as such terms were defined in the Guidebook)?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of those in question a, how many of those required either a letter of consent or letter of non-objection.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the ones in b that required a letter, how many obtained that letter?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of those in c, how many of those letters met the requirements set forth in the Guidebook?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of those in d, how many of them entered into a contract?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of those in e, how many of them were delegated.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question 2</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How many applications were there that were for geographic terms that were not indicated as such in the Guidebook?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of those applications in a, how many of those applications received one or more early warnings? If they received n early warning, who issued them and
what were the reasons given?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications in a which of those applications received formal GAC Advice?
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications in a, which applications, if any, received non-consensus GAC advice, and what were the reasons given?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications mentioned in b, c, and d above, were any of those applications withdrawn? If so, were reasons stated for their withdrawal?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications mentioned in b, c, and d above, were any of those applications terminated by ICANN (“will not proceed”). Of those, which applications
are still on hold pending the final outcome of an accountability mechanism?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications in b, c, and d, have any applications been subsequently accepted and approved to move forward? If so, which ones?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications in b that received early warnings, have any of the applicants agreed to additional commitments, or formal public interest commitments
as a result of the early warnings?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications in b that received early warnings, or c that received Consensus GAC Advice or non-consensus advice, which applicants were able to
have discussions with the applicable governments prior to the issuance of Early Warnings, GAC Advice, or non-consensus GAC advice?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">j.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the applications in b that received early warnings, or c that received Consensus GAC Advice or non-consensus advice, which applicants were able to
have discussions with the applicable governments after the issuance of Early Warnings, GAC Advice, or non-consensus GAC advice, but prior to ultimate resolution?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can see constructing a table with the following columns for strings considered to be “geographic”:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">String<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Current Status (Delegated, Withdrawn, Terminated by ICANN, Pending Accountability Mechanism)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Applicant / Registry Operator<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Was the string classified as geographic in the AGB? (Yes or No)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If yes, under which section?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Did the string require a letter of non-objection / consent in the AGB?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If a letter was required, was such a letter obtained? (Yes or no)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the string was not explicitly classified as geographic in the AGB, was their an “intended use” of the string enumerated in
the Application?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For those in #8 above, indicate whether the strings “intended use” was as an open TLD (also includes Open restricted), Brand TLD,
community TLD, or geographic TLD.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Did the string pass the geographic evaluation panel (Yes, no, or N/A)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Did the string receive one or more Early Warnings? (yes or no) – If so, from who?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Did the string receive formal GAC Advice?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Notes</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level2 lfo5"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This section would include records of any discussions that may have taken place and are publicly known.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This would be just a start
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">😊</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347">Senior Vice President </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">|</span><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209">Valideus
USA</span></b><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">Mclean, VA 22102, United States<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">E:
</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959">
or </span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">
<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">T: +1.703.635.7514<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">M: +1.202.549.5079<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">@Jintlaw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <</span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2018 9:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the data</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">: I feel that we need more
<u>analysis here on the specific applications that <b>fell under the geonames provisions</b></u> and where any potential issues emerged. Otherwise we are just talking about opinions, guesses and hypothesis. The data is out there and staff could help gather
that information, including the views of applicants and relevant public authorities. That data could help us to improve the letter of non-objection system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the dozen names that did
<b>not </b>fall under the geonames provisions</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">, there I agree that we had and still have around problematic cases. In fact, as said, I believe that those problems
were due to the lack of the non-objection requirement, i.e. applicants apparently did not have enough incentives to seek an agreement/non-objection from the affected public authorities, with the ensuing problems we all know…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the incentives</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">: as far as I know most
public authorities do not run the TLDs for themselves. But they have a general interest in their name and want to have a say in the process (for reasons already explained in detail). On the other hand we have the applicant with a specific, direct interest
and a business model. You have two different kinds of interests converging on one unique resource. The non-objection letter gets the applicant onto a table with the public authorities. And the non-objection may be sought after by anyone: brands, communities,
businesses, academia, ngos (if they have the money!)… The non-objection just means that the public authority is OK with their plans after their conversation. It does not give any further priority, but means that the public interests represented by that public
authority have been satisfactorily considered – which may take many different forms depending on the city (laisser faire; participate in the governance; follow some conditions, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to intended use</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">: I refer back to my summary
of the issue, shared by many colleagues from all SO/ACs here, where it is explained why such a distinction is not helpful when we are talking about a unique resource.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jorge
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jeff Neuman [</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mai 2018 15:40<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <</span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">By “priority”, I also mean without a “default rule” where one party gets a veto right (by not writing a letter of non-objection or refusing to grant consent).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am not taking a side here, just trying to get an out of box solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge – For the 60+ that you mention, there were at least a dozen if not more examples of terms that were not included in the AGB, where problems with predictability
were identified. Some of those are still in accountability mechanisms. Plus, most of the 60+ that you refer to were applications for geo-related terms where the TLDs intended use was for that geographic area (eg. Nyc, berlin, boston, London, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have not seen any dispute with the notion that if someone wants to use a geoterm in conjunction with the geographic area they should get some sort of letter
of consent or non-objection. If I am wrong, please weigh in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is with respect to those terms that match a geoterm but are not intended to be used in conjunction with the geographic area.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347">Senior Vice President </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">|</span><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209">Valideus
USA</span></b><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830">
</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">| </span><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830">Com Laude USA</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">Mclean, VA 22102, United States<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">E:
</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959">
or </span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">T: +1.703.635.7514<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">M: +1.202.549.5079<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">@Jintlaw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <</span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2018 9:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As said before, non-objection does not equal to priority. It is a requirement for an application to go forward. The incentives for compromise seem
to have been there when 60+ applications went through successfully. If there is a problem with the incentive structure we should base that on factual analysis of what happened in the last round, listening to both applicants and relevant public authorities
involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jorge
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Jeff Neuman<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 8. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mai 2018 15:25<br>
<b>An:</b> </span><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks for this Alexander and for a proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So it seems like we have 2 different questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l6 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Which cities / regions are included in whatever process we develop.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l6 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For the cities/regions that are include in the process, what will that process be?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am trying to focus on
<b>number 2</b> without involving the notion of “priority”? If we do not have a default that states that an applicant cannot have that term unless they get affirmative consent / non-objection nor do we have a default that the name is automatically given to
the applicant without conditions, what are the other options?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we put aside question 1 for the moment…I am trying to elicit responses to number 2 without using terms like priority. When one side has
<u>priority</u> there is little incentive for any compromise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0F9347">Senior Vice President </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">|</span><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209">Valideus
USA</span></b><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C32830">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">Mclean, VA 22102, United States<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959">
or </span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00B050">
<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">T: +1.703.635.7514<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">M: +1.202.549.5079<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4F4F4F">@Jintlaw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 8, 2018 8:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear group,<br>
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Greg’s point is very valid – and in fact has been raised by many others as well:<br>
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There has to be a sufficient amount of people (or other metric that establishes “relevance”) being affiliated with a place to grant them the privilege of being looped into the application process (via letter of non-objection).<br>
We are working off the 2012 AGB. Per 2.2.1.4.2 only strings identical to these entities require “Government Support” (letter of non-objection):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Capital City (in any language) – irrelevant to its size!
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sub-national place names as listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard (caused problems with .bar, .tata and others in 2012) – again: irrelevant
to its size! The U.S. has listed only a few (namely their States), but others have listed insane amounts of tiny places. Population size-wise a very inconsistent list in my mind.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">UNESCO regions. URL:
</span><a href="https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
then click “Geographic regions”. These names shouldn’t pose any problem – no overlapping with other places or brands here.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">CITIES! Last not least: City names. While the first three are fairly overseeable and lists exist – this last category is slightly
“murky” – and that is PRECISELY why we are primarily talking about that category: it is the ONLY one of the 2012 AGB that provides a base for discussion really.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the U.S. alone there are over 3,000 “cities” with more than 10,000 people – and 19,500 places in total. India has over 4,000 cities with more than 10k people
as well. I can’t find reliable statistics – but there must be in excess of 50,000 cities globally with more than 10,000 people. Now imagine you lower that bar to 5,000!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We will need a proposal to “limit” the number of cities (and in my mind the “Sub-national place names as listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard” as well) in respect
to the requirement for a letter of non-objection. Only if a city has enough inhabitants (or is otherwise very important, e.g. because it is the capital) enough affiliated people are deprived of their chance to express themselves via their own self-managed
gTLD. And quite frankly: Even if I am a very daring person when it comes to gTLD applications (.berlin WAS “daring” in 2005, so was .gay in 2009) – I simply completely fail to imagine that cities smaller than 10,000 people would ever apply for their own gTLD.
There might be singular cases (Aspen!) – but policy will ALWAYS have to balance between protections and burdens. And obviously anybody can still apply for any super tiny city if they wish: but most likely that application will be funded and operated by city
constituents anyway – and NOT by portfolio applicants: you can’t “make profit” of a city gTLD when there are only less than 10k people. So we are good with “warehousing” and fight off profiteers.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hence my suggestion (again – please don’t beat me):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We define a cut-off size “X”. My gut feeling says somewhere between 10,000 and 50,000 people. Maybe others here could chime in!<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Any gTLD applicant (regardless of intended use!) that applies for an identical string will have to acquire a letter of non-objection
from EACH city with more than “X” inhabitants. That limits the burden for city applicants and generic string / brand applicants as well!<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I suggest that the cut-off rule applies for “Sub-national place names as listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard”, too.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we want to avoid a “beauty contest” or “repositories” then I see no other metric than population size. And population size matters – as an underpopulated place
simply can’t sustain their own gTLD (unless they are Aspen).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think such compromise would ease the “pain” of the TM lobby – while it would sufficiently protect the interest of the people of cities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alexander.berlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 08, 2018 8:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Liz Williams <</span><a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">liz.williams@auda.org.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] "Intended Use" Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I will disagree with one statement you made:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">It seems like no one is arguing against the notion of trying to somehow have a consultation between the applicant(s) and the impacted
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I suppose it depends on how you define "impacted governments." If every geographical term, no matter how obscure, results in an "impacted government," then I disagree vehemently.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On the other hand, if we are first going to define some small subset of geographic terms (e.g., names of countries) where there will be an "impacted government," then I probably
agree. But this is predicated on the idea that the vast majority of strings with geographic meanings will not create "impacted governments." Otherwise, if Bill and Hillary Clinton want to apply for .Clinton, they will need to "somehow have a consultation"
with the 30 "impacted governments" of the 30 Clintons in the United States -- and maybe elsewhere. That can't be right. I'll note that Alexander Schubert proposed some sort of minimum population size; while I'm not endorsing that, it shows that the statement
quoted above is at the very least, far too broad, and that the result will not be a consultation every time a string shows up in the index to to an atlas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You have raised some interesting points. Another question to add is what happens when the intended use changes? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For example, the business which was the original intention looks difficult and the operator has to modify the original business plan?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Or the business is sold? There have been many examples of strings which have been repurposed (tv, la, co spring immediately to mind) and others that have changed hands (where the operator changes)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Are we satisfied that from a policy perspective that, for example, the public interest commitments system worked/s?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Is a better/stronger Specification 13 the way to solve “intended use” question or something else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Looking forward to other ideas/questions/discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Just wanted to get a new thread going just on the concept of “intended use” of a TLD since there has been some good discussion on this narrow topic and thought
it may be a good jumping off place to put some ideas out there for discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some have stated that the “intended use” of a gTLD should be considered when looking at whether governments (national/local, etc.) should have to issue a letter
of non-objection / consent as a condition of the gTLD application being accepted. For example, if a TLD applicant does not intended to use the TLD for purposes associated with the geographic connotation of the string, then they argue that the geographic government
should not have the final word on whether the TLD is granted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Others have stated that “intended use” of the TLD is irrelevant or not helpful given the fact that only one organization is granted the right to operate and administer
the TLD. And that being the case, consideration should be given to the political, legal, historical, etc. connotations for the communities affected. Some countries have laws protecting the use of those names regardless of use, according to some commenters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It seems like no one is arguing against the notion of trying to somehow have a consultation between the applicant(s) and the impacted governments to the extent
possible. But having a presumption one way or the other (either that a letter of non-objection/consent be required or a presumption in favor of delegation) is not something there is agreement on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo9"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is it possible, however, to come up with a solution that is outside of the box? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo9"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can we have consultations where the ultimate outcome is not pre-ordained, but still provide incentives for all of the parties
to “come to the table” to express concerns, but also provide ways in which those concerns can be mitigated? <span class="m-1926926924719456100apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo9"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are there ways to allow the delegation of the TLD, but also address the concerns of the impacted governments? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo9"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could this include agreements to allow the use of second level strings (or the reservation of second level strings) where there
is an inherent association with the government / local community?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo9"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For brand TLDs, there is a requirement currently that all registrations be registered to the brands (or their affiliates / licensees)
in order to maintain their Specification 13 protections? Can there be an exception granted for ones that coincide with a geographic string where certain second level strings that are inherently geographic can be registered by others?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo9"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are there any other parameters that can be established to help guide consultations to prevent the perception as expressed by some
that governments will try to extract payments in exchange for the right to be the registry of the TLD?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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And I would be curious to see if we could flush this out at all?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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