<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Jorge, Liz, All:<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your thoughtful comments. In several calls, as well as emails on the list, we have seen a recurring theme supporting spaces early in the process designed for conflict avoidance to the extent that that is practicable. We have also seen related words of caution in terms that everything, including any early conversation processes, must come with good, predictable, objective substantive policies and rules.</div><div><br></div><div>We can definitely have a fruitful discussion on specific topics such as these ones today and move this conversation forward!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br><div>Javier Rúa-Jovet</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">ALAC<br><div><br></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">+1-787-396-6511</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">twitter: @javrua</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">skype: javier.rua1</span></div><div><font color="#000000" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </font></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br>On May 16, 2018, at 6:44 AM, Annebeth Lange <<a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Liz is making a fair point here, that applicants should do their own due diligence in all aspects of their applications. However, if we in any way can make the application
process easier and offer some advice, that can help the applicants in their due diligence process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>" <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 16 May 2018 at 12:26<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>" <<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a>" <<a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Liz and all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think it is a fair point that there is a clear distinction between the review panel and the advisory panel.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However, at the level of principle I feel that the experience and the added-value of the review panel had in the 2012
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And as said, this would help applicants especially with those names with geographic significance not falling under the
specific categories of the AGB and/or in difficult cases as some city names may be (where, as we have seen, there apparently are no comprehensive lists…).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Liz Williams<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 11:39<br>
<b>An:</b> Mazzone, Giacomo <<a href="mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch">mazzone@ebu.ch</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We need to be super careful here. Firstly these are implementation details not policy principles although I appreciate efforts to resolve conflicts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, an evaluation panel has one function and that is to evaluate applications for all kinds of TLDs against a set of criteria.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is unwise for it to have any other function, most particularly where there could be any cause for any conflict of interest with respect to any advisory role. Applicants should do their own due diligence in all aspects of their applications.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No applications for any TLDs should be “hard cases” when application rules are clear, when evaluation takes place objectively and where contracting arrangements are known in advance with the production of a draft contract which is published
along with the application materials. If it takes us longer to get to consensus on the policy principles that guide those application rules then it is likely time well spent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 14:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This is a good idea. WT5 should work towards solutions that reduces conflicts. The more that can be done in advance to avoid complaints and litigation afterwards, the better. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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16. mai 2018 kl. 09:28 skrev "<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span style="color:#954F72">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><span style="color:#954F72">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a>>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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has made significant investments. What if, in addition to that review, the geographic names panel would also be available on an advisory basis during the application preparation phase? It could advise on hard/unclear cases and also on names with geographic
significance not covered by the specific geonames categories/lists included in the AGB 2012, as well as help in identifying relevant public authorities (with help from ICANN Org and GAC Members if needed)…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span style="color:#954F72">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Emily Barabas<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 08:23<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 16 May 2018 at 14:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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