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Thanks for your input Susan. I agree with your concerns.
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<div class="">Let’s all please remember that a geographic term is just that but it can also be many many other things. In the ICANN context, that is the nature of contention for a string. We should not be prescriptive, exclusionary or attempt to create unnecessary
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<div class="">I wanted to engage further on both Alexander and Christopher’s points about limiting the numbers of applications for certain types of applicants for TLDs. That is most certainly not going to fly. ICANN mission is explicit on its commitment to
encouraging competition in the marketplace and on extending opportunities for end users to choose. Apart from that, competition authorities in national jurisdictions would have plenty to say about an arbitrary limit imposed on applicants who can validly demonstrate
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<div class="">On 17 May 2018, at 7:28 am, Susan Payne <<a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" class="">susan.payne@valideus.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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and has nothing to do with trademarks<o:p class=""></o:p></span></a></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">E:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(118, 146, 60);" class="">susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Alexander
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 May 2018 22:25<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] the 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name!<br class="">
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Other than the trade mark lobby (which is WELL paid to lobby the TM interests): Who ELSE objects Christopher’s suggestion to abandon “the 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name”? Somebody OUTSIDE the TM lobby?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Or the other way around: Who else seconds Christopher’s suggestion to abandon “the 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name”? A geo name is a geo name – once delegated to somebody the constituents and citizens of that geo-location are deprived to utilize the
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[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Greg
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:46 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(49, 49, 49);" class="">3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">There has been significant— repeated — objection to that proposition, so no, you may not take it that it is agreed in WT5.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:39 PM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">With respect, this is the first time that I have perceived that in 2012, Geo-Names Review was different from the Geo-Names Panel. I shall try and get my head around that!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">Meanwhile, it would clearly be an advantage to have a review function available for ALL Geo-related applications, up front, BEFORE applicants and the mechanisms spend time and money on the approval procedures.<br class="">
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I have already posted several comments that would significantly reduce the risks and uncertainties for Geo-Names applications.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><em class="">Pour Memoire:</em><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">1. The application should be from an entity within the jurisdiction of the geo-name in question, and the proposed TLD Registry should be incorporated in that jurisdiction. There should not be any incorporations in third country
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2. There should be strict limits on the number of TLDs that may be applied for by any one entity. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">Thus, these few, realistic, boundary conditions would considerably reduce the scope and frequency of disputes during applications and during implementation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">CW<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" class="">PS: Since all applications for Geo-Names should have received non-objection letters from the appropriate authorities, I might imagine that the scope for String Contention would be considerably reduced if not eliminated.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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