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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alexander, I’d love you to explain how you think this would work in practice – see my rock example which
has crossed with yours and has nothing to do with trademarks<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 May 2018 22:25<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] the 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name!<br>
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I would like to second Christopher: While not having created too much havoc in the 2012 round that provision WOULD BE heavily abused in the next round.<br>
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Other than the trade mark lobby (which is WELL paid to lobby the TM interests): Who ELSE objects Christopher’s suggestion to abandon “the 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name”? Somebody OUTSIDE the TM lobby?
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Or the other way around: Who else seconds Christopher’s suggestion to abandon “the 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name”? A geo name is a geo name – once delegated to somebody the constituents and citizens of that geo-location are deprived to utilize the
string to identify themselves in the DNS forever. Inacceptable. <br>
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Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a> Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Christopher wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="font-size:1rem;word-spacing:1px"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#313131">3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is
agreed in WT5?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">There has been significant— repeated — objection to that proposition, so no, you may not take it that it is agreed in WT5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:39 PM <a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">
lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a> Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Good afternoon:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">With respect, this is the first time that I have perceived that in 2012, Geo-Names Review was different from the Geo-Names Panel. I shall try and get my head around that!
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Meanwhile, it would clearly be an advantage to have a review function available for ALL Geo-related applications, up front, BEFORE applicants and the mechanisms spend time and money on the approval procedures.<br>
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I have already posted several comments that would significantly reduce the risks and uncertainties for Geo-Names applications.
<em>Pour Memoire:</em><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">1. The application should be from an entity within the jurisdiction of the geo-name in question, and the proposed TLD Registry should be incorporated in that jurisdiction. There should not be any incorporations in third country tax havens.<br>
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2. There should be strict limits on the number of TLDs that may be applied for by any one entity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Thus, these few, realistic, boundary conditions would considerably reduce the scope and frequency of disputes during applications and during implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">CW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">PS: Since all applications for Geo-Names should have received non-objection letters from the appropriate authorities, I might imagine that the scope for String Contention would be considerably reduced if not eliminated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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