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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Liz,<br><br>please quote me in full, when you quote me:<br><br><b><i><span style='color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'> “Obviously </span><span style='color:#C00000'>if somebody wanted to apply for .pienza </span><span style='color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>to enable that 2,000 people community to identify themselves on the Internet: </span><span style='color:#C00000'>go for it</span><span style='color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'> But why having </span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000'>extra “protections” for such a small geo-entity</span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>? Nobody is going to apply for .pienza anyways – too small.”</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am saying that we CA NOT “protect” every single hamlet and village in this world. They may apply for their gTLD obviously – but there won’t be a special protection that a third entity can either. We have in the past ALWAYS reduced protections to sizeable or otherwise important entities. As of the 2012 AGB those are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>ISO 3166 Alpha 2 and 3 entries<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>UN Regions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cities – and to my understand only those with a Government (I know that claim is disputed; and yes: there are a few tiny cities with Governments, but usually only sizeable cities have one)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I think it is our task in this WT5 to:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Explore whether we need to add OTHER categories – e.g. “regions” instead of just “cities”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Have an easier to manage process for making sure to not grant micro-entities with just a few hundred or a few thousand people veto rights: because if we did then applicants for generic terms and brands would be exposed to potential exploitation (“Hey: ‘Bar’ got a new school in order to be able to apply for .bar: what will you give us?”)<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In other words: We have in the past clearly made policy that protect “important” or “sizeable” entities. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We either keep what we have – or advance the set of rules. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Or we kick all cities in the teeth: and REMOVE all existing protections. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Which one would you prefer? <br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Liz Williams [mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 18, 2018 7:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alexander Schubert <alexander@schubert.berlin><br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Alexander <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Your assertion about “nobody is going to apply for .pienza anyways — too small” is precisely the kind of subjective judgment we must not make in this policy development process. Any applicant that meets the criteria in the application process should be able to apply and be evaluated fairly and objectively.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And the second problem is with your argument about “sizeable” cities. It is flawed to suggest that we can somehow have a cut off on size for a geographic entity especially when geographic entities may not just be cities. Should we limit the length of rivers; the height of mountains; the areas of agricultural production for cheese? We are not only discussing top level domains that may reflect city entities and we need to think carefully about what we do about other geographic terms, if any.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Liz<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Avenir",serif;color:black'>….<br>Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs<br>.au Domain Administration Ltd<br>M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757<br>E: <a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a> <a href="http://www.auda.org.au">www.auda.org.au</a><br> <br>Important Notice<br>This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 17 May 2018, at 7:16 pm, Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Marita,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is part of the trade-off:<br><br>Only applications for strings identical to SIZEABLE cities have to produce Government support – in exchange the “non-geo use” clause is eliminated!<br><br>Obviously if somebody wanted to apply for .pienza to enable that 2,000 people community to identify themselves on the Internet: go for it. But why having extra “protections” for such a small geo-entity? Nobody is going to apply for .pienza anyways – too small.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Marita Moll<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:28 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> I have heard that in Italy a city is any grouping of people that has a cathedral and a bishop. (Maybe someone on the list can confirm this.) I just visited one (Pienza) that has only 2000 people and does have a mayor, so some form of government. So, if it is a city and does have a government but is well below the population cut off, how would the provisions below protect Pienza (or not)?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Marita<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>On 5/17/2018 1:14 AM, Alexander Schubert wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Either I have not expressed myself precise enough – or I am misunderstood:<br><br>In the 2012 AGB it clearly states “city name”. I think the requirement to produce a letter of non-objection from the city’s government implies that only city’s that HAVE any form of Government are targeted by this rule. Rock doesn’t have any “Government” – it is such a small village (1,200 people) that it is governed by others. There is a reference to “city government” in Module 2, page 18 of 42, 2.2.1.4.2 in 2b – there in the reference 7 (<a href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf"><span style='color:purple'>https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf</span></a>):<br><b><i><span style='color:#2E75B6'>“City governments with concerns about strings that are duplicates, nicknames or close renderings of a city name should not rely</span></i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6'>on the evaluation process as the primary means of protecting their interests in a string. Rather, a government may elect to file a</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6'>formal objection to an application that is opposed by the relevant community, or may submit its own application for the string.”</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><br>This language clearly implies that “city” in respect to the support requirement is defined as a place that has its own “Government”.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>I am very much in agreement with you that the 2012 AGB specification “city name” is a disaster. It’s not really defined and way too broad. By introducing a population-size cutoff we eliminate all the smallish places that nobody really would ever create a geo gTLD for anyways – so brands and generic term applications have free reign! These smaller places can still OBJECT to an application – example would be “Aspen”.<br><br>And this is precisely one of our tasks here: to unearth language and provisions of the 2012 AGB that maybe “worked” in 2012 – but likely create confusion in future rounds.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan Payne [<a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:41 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"><span style='color:purple'>alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Well Alexander, this is a perfect example of why if you are going to agree with the wide-ranging and imprecise assertions of others then it would be well to be clear exactly what you are agreeing with. You actually do not agree with Christopher at all –or at least in large part.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What’s called a city seems to vary greatly from country to country. I’ve been to UK fishing villages that are bigger than “cities” in some other countries. The AGB just refers to a “city” but without defining what that is. Not that there’s any basis at law of course for the AGB city consent requirements, just for the avoidance of doubt.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C'>Susan Payne</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C'>Head of Legal Policy</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></b></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>|<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209'>Valideus Ltd</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>28-30 Little Russell StreetWell<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>London, WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>E:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-GB><a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C'>susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>D: +44 20 7421 8255</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>T: +44 20 7421 8299</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>M: +44 7971 661175</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Alexander Schubert<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>16 May 2018 22:33<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Susan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Your comment is very valuable:<br><br>We HAVE to prevent that places like “rock” have veto rights over brand or generic term based gTLDs! The “Rock” (in Cornwall) you mentioned is a “fishing village” – and as such DOESN’T require any letter of non-objection per the 2012 AGB at all! But the point itself is well taken:<br><br>We need to qualify a threshold for protection – most likely by quantifying the population! If we have a 10,000 (or 50,000) inhabitant cut-off: the overlay between those sizeable cities and brands and or generic terms is MINIMAL!<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Susan Payne<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:23 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"><span style='color:purple'>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a>>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Agreed Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Christopher, you appear to be suggesting that the term “rock” since it happens to be the name of at least one small town in Cornwall, England, and possibly elsewhere, could not be used as a TLD by geologists, landscapers, musicians, etc etc. On what possible legal, or indeed policy, basis? So no, you may not take that as agreed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C'>Susan Payne</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C'>Head of Legal Policy</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></b></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>|<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209'>Valideus Ltd</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>28-30 Little Russell Street</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>London, WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>E:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-GB><a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C'>susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>D: +44 20 7421 8255</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>T: +44 20 7421 8299</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>M: +44 7971 661175</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>16 May 2018 21:46<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Christopher wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;font-size:1rem;word-spacing:1px'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#313131'>3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>There has been significant— repeated — objection to that proposition, so no, you may not take it that it is agreed in WT5.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:39 PM<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"><span style='color:purple'>lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Good afternoon:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>With respect, this is the first time that I have perceived that in 2012, Geo-Names Review was different from the Geo-Names Panel. I shall try and get my head around that!<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Meanwhile, it would clearly be an advantage to have a review function available for ALL Geo-related applications, up front, BEFORE applicants and the mechanisms spend time and money on the approval procedures.<br><br>I have already posted several comments that would significantly reduce the risks and uncertainties for Geo-Names applications.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><em>Pour Memoire:</em></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>1. The application should be from an entity within the jurisdiction of the geo-name in question, and the proposed TLD Registry should be incorporated in that jurisdiction. There should not be any incorporations in third country tax havens.<br><br>2. There should be strict limits on the number of TLDs that may be applied for by any one entity. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Thus, these few, realistic, boundary conditions would considerably reduce the scope and frequency of disputes during applications and during implementation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>CW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB>PS: Since all applications for Geo-Names should have received non-objection letters from the appropriate authorities, I might imagine that the scope for String Contention would be considerably reduced if not eliminated.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><pre style='background:white'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><span style='color:purple'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5"><span style='color:purple'>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif;background:white'>_______________________________________________</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif'><br><span style='background:white'>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list</span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>