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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">We also need to factor
in the point that the size of cities in not static. There are
periods, like now, when populations are on the move -- for many
different reasons. A tiered system for dealing with cities of
various sizes still makes sense to me. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2018 6:27 AM, Liz Williams
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Hello Alexander
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<div class="">Your assertion about “nobody is going to apply for
.pienza anyways — too small” is precisely the kind of subjective
judgment we must not make in this policy development process.
Any applicant that meets the criteria in the application
process should be able to apply and be evaluated fairly and
objectively.</div>
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<div class="">And the second problem is with your argument about
“sizeable” cities. It is flawed to suggest that we can somehow
have a cut off on size for a geographic entity especially when
geographic entities may not just be cities. Should we limit the
length of rivers; the height of mountains; the areas of
agricultural production for cheese? We are not only discussing
top level domains that may reflect city entities and we need to
think carefully about what we do about other geographic terms,
if any.</div>
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<div class="">On 17 May 2018, at 7:16 pm, Alexander Schubert
<<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Marita,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"
class="">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">This is
part of the trade-off:<br class="">
<br class="">
Only applications for strings identical to SIZEABLE
cities have to produce Government support – in
exchange the “non-geo use” clause is eliminated!<br
class="">
<br class="">
Obviously if somebody wanted to apply for .pienza to
enable that 2,000 people community to identify
themselves on the Internet: go for it. But why
having extra “protections” for such a small
geo-entity? Nobody is going to apply for .pienza
anyways – too small.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks,<br class="">
<br class="">
Alexander<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marita
Moll<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
May 17, 2018 8:28 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold
for requirement of letters of non-objection!<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Roman", serif;" class="">
I have heard that in Italy a city is any grouping of
people that has a cathedral and a bishop. (Maybe
someone on the list can confirm this.) I just visited
one (Pienza) that has only 2000 people and does have a
mayor, so some form of government. So, if it is a city
and does have a government but is well below the
population cut off, how would the provisions below
protect Pienza (or not)?<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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Marita<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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On 5/17/2018 1:14 AM, Alexander Schubert wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Susan,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"
class="">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Either I have not expressed
myself precise enough – or I am misunderstood:<br
class="">
<br class="">
In the 2012 AGB it clearly states “city name”. I
think the requirement to produce a letter of
non-objection from the city’s government implies
that only city’s that HAVE any form of Government
are targeted by this rule. Rock doesn’t have any
“Government” – it is such a small village (1,200
people) that it is governed by others. There is a
reference to “city government” in Module 2, page
18 of 42, 2.2.1.4.2 in 2b – there in the reference
7 (<a
href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf</a>):<br
class="">
</span><b class=""><i class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(46, 117, 182);"
class="">“City governments with concerns about
strings that are duplicates, nicknames or
close renderings of a city name should not
rely</span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">
<b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(46, 117, 182);" class="">on the evaluation
process as the primary means of protecting
their interests in a string. Rather, a
government may elect to file a</span></i></b><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">
<b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(46, 117, 182);" class="">formal objection
to an application that is opposed by the
relevant community, or may submit its own
application for the string.”</span></i></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
This language clearly implies that “city” in
respect to the support requirement is defined as a
place that has its own “Government”.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
I am very much in agreement with you that the 2012
AGB specification “city name” is a disaster. It’s
not really defined and way too broad. By
introducing a population-size cutoff we eliminate
all the smallish places that nobody really would
ever create a geo gTLD for anyways – so brands and
generic term applications have free reign! These
smaller places can still OBJECT to an application
– example would be “Aspen”.<br class="">
<br class="">
And this is precisely one of our tasks here: to
unearth language and provisions of the 2012 AGB
that maybe “worked” in 2012 – but likely create
confusion in future rounds.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">
Thanks,<br class="">
<br class="">
Alexander</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Susan
Payne [<a
href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
May 17, 2018 12:41 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold
for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="" lang="EN-GB">Well
Alexander, this is a perfect example of why if
you are going to agree with the wide-ranging and
imprecise assertions of others then it would be
well to be clear exactly what you are agreeing
with. You actually do not agree with
Christopher at all –or at least in large part.</span></a><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">What’s called a city seems to vary
greatly from country to country. I’ve been to UK
fishing villages that are bigger than “cities” in
some other countries. The AGB just refers to a
“city” but without defining what that is. Not
that there’s any basis at law of course for the
AGB city consent requirements, just for the
avoidance of doubt.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Alexander
Schubert<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 May
2018 22:33<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the threshold for requirement of
letters of non-objection!</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Susan,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Your comment is very
valuable:<br class="">
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We HAVE to prevent that places like “rock” have
veto rights over brand or generic term based
gTLDs! The “Rock” (in Cornwall) you mentioned is a
“fishing village” – and as such DOESN’T require
any letter of non-objection per the 2012 AGB at
all! But the point itself is well taken:<br
class="">
<br class="">
We need to qualify a threshold for protection –
most likely by quantifying the population! If we
have a 10,000 (or 50,000) inhabitant cut-off: the
overlay between those sizeable cities and brands
and or generic terms is MINIMAL!<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
<br class="">
Thanks,<br class="">
<br class="">
Alexander</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Susan
Payne<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
May 17, 2018 12:23 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Greg
Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson
<<a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">Agreed Greg</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">Christopher, you appear to be
suggesting that the term “rock” since it happens
to be the name of at least one small town in
Cornwall, England, and possibly elsewhere, could
not be used as a TLD by geologists, landscapers,
musicians, etc etc. On what possible legal, or
indeed policy, basis? So no, you may not take
that as agreed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color:
rgb(118, 146, 60);" class="" lang="EN-GB">Susan
Payne</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;
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rgb(118, 146, 60);" class="" lang="EN-GB">Head
of Legal Policy</span></b><b class=""><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">|<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b
class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color:
rgb(195, 146, 9);" class="" lang="EN-GB">Valideus
Ltd</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">28-30 Little Russell Street</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">London, WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom</span><o:p
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">E:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="" lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(118, 146, 60);"
class="">susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""
lang="EN-GB"></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,
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lang="EN-GB">D: +44 20 7421 8255</span><o:p
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Greg
Shatan<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 May
2018 21:46<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson
<<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
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12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
serif;" class="">
<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Christopher wrote:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(49, 49, 49);" class=""
lang="EN-GB">3. The 2012 option of non-geo
use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since
there has been no objection on the List to
that - repeated - proposition, may I take it
that is agreed in WT5?)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
serif;" class="">
<span class="" lang="EN-GB">There has been
significant— repeated — objection to that
proposition, so no, you may not take it that
it is agreed in WT5.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Thanks for the
opportunity to clarify that.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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serif;" class="">
<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Greg</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">On Wed, May 16,
2018 at 1:39 PM<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>Wilkinson
<<a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Good afternoon:</span><o:p
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">With respect,
this is the first time that I have
perceived that in 2012, Geo-Names Review
was different from the Geo-Names Panel. I
shall try and get my head around that!<span
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Meanwhile, it
would clearly be an advantage to have a
review function available for ALL
Geo-related applications, up front, BEFORE
applicants and the mechanisms spend time
and money on the approval procedures.<br
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I have already posted several comments
that would significantly reduce the risks
and uncertainties for Geo-Names
applications.<span
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">1. The
application should be from an entity
within the jurisdiction of the geo-name in
question, and the proposed TLD Registry
should be incorporated in that
jurisdiction. There should not be any
incorporations in third country tax
havens.<br class="">
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2. There should be strict limits on the
number of TLDs that may be applied for by
any one entity. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">3. The 2012
option of non-geo use of a geo-name should
be abandoned. (Since there has been no
objection on the List to that - repeated
- proposition, may I take it that is
agreed in WT5?)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Thus, these few,
realistic, boundary conditions would
considerably reduce the scope and
frequency of disputes during applications
and during implementation.</span><o:p
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">CW</span><o:p
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<span class="" lang="EN-GB">PS: Since all
applications for Geo-Names should have
received non-objection letters from the
appropriate authorities, I might imagine
that the scope for String Contention would
be considerably reduced if not eliminated.</span><o:p
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