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</head><body><p>God morning:<br><br>A tiered system would need a revision procedure and a repository of exceptions.<br>There are some quite small places of significance for tourism, religious, cultural or historical reasons.<br><br>In this context, I maintain my position against multiple Geo-TLDs with the same entity, and for incorporation within the jurisdiction of the Name in question. And my warning about areas of contested sovereignty.</p><p>CW</p><blockquote type="cite">El 20 de mayo de 2018 a las 8:09 Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> escribió:<br><br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;">We also need to factor in the point that the size of cities in not static. There are periods, like now, when populations are on the move -- for many different reasons. A tiered system for dealing with cities of various sizes still makes sense to me. <br> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;">Marita</span><br></p><br><div class="ox-2bde47d353-moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2018 6:27 AM, Liz Williams wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite">Hello Alexander<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your assertion about “nobody is going to apply for .pienza anyways — too small” is precisely the kind of subjective judgment we must not make in this policy development process. Any applicant that meets the criteria in the application process should be able to apply and be evaluated fairly and objectively.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And the second problem is with your argument about “sizeable” cities. It is flawed to suggest that we can somehow have a cut off on size for a geographic entity especially when geographic entities may not just be cities. Should we limit the length of rivers; the height of mountains; the areas of agricultural production for cheese? We are not only discussing top level domains that may reflect city entities and we need to think carefully about what we do about other geographic terms, if any.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Liz</div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">….</span><br class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-interchange-newline" style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">.au Domain Administration Ltd</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">E: <a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" class="">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a> <a href="http://www.auda.org.au" class="">www.auda.org.au</a></span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class=""> </span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">Important Notice</span><br style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Avenir; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline; float: none;" class="">This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.</span></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div class="">On 17 May 2018, at 7:16 pm, Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="ox-2bde47d353-WordSection1" style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Marita,</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">This is part of the trade-off:<br class=""> <br class=""> Only applications for strings identical to SIZEABLE cities have to produce Government support – in exchange the “non-geo use” clause is eliminated!<br class=""> <br class=""> Obviously if somebody wanted to apply for .pienza to enable that 2,000 people community to identify themselves on the Internet: go for it. But why having extra “protections” for such a small geo-entity? Nobody is going to apply for .pienza anyways – too small.<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <br class=""> Thanks,<br class=""> <br class=""> Alexander</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class="">On Behalf Of<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Marita Moll<br class=""> <strong class="">Sent:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:28 AM<br class=""> <strong class="">To:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br class=""> <strong class="">Subject:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> </div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif;" class=""> I have heard that in Italy a city is any grouping of people that has a cathedral and a bishop. (Maybe someone on the list can confirm this.) I just visited one (Pienza) that has only 2000 people and does have a mayor, so some form of government. So, if it is a city and does have a government but is well below the population cut off, how would the provisions below protect Pienza (or not)?</p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif;" class="">Marita</p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> </div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On 5/17/2018 1:14 AM, Alexander Schubert wrote:</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class="">Susan,</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class="">Either I have not expressed myself precise enough – or I am misunderstood:<br class=""> <br class=""> In the 2012 AGB it clearly states “city name”. I think the requirement to produce a letter of non-objection from the city’s government implies that only city’s that HAVE any form of Government are targeted by this rule. Rock doesn’t have any “Government” – it is such a small village (1,200 people) that it is governed by others. There is a reference to “city government” in Module 2, page 18 of 42, 2.2.1.4.2 in 2b – there in the reference 7 (<a href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf</a>):<br class=""> </span><strong class=""><em class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #2e75b6;" class="">“City governments with concerns about strings that are duplicates, nicknames or close renderings of a city name should not rely</span></em></strong></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><strong class=""><em class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #2e75b6;" class="">on the evaluation process as the primary means of protecting their interests in a string. Rather, a government may elect to file a</span></em></strong></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><strong class=""><em class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #2e75b6;" class="">formal objection to an application that is opposed by the relevant community, or may submit its own application for the string.”</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><br class=""> <br class=""> This language clearly implies that “city” in respect to the support requirement is defined as a place that has its own “Government”.<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><br class=""> I am very much in agreement with you that the 2012 AGB specification “city name” is a disaster. It’s not really defined and way too broad. By introducing a population-size cutoff we eliminate all the smallish places that nobody really would ever create a geo gTLD for anyways – so brands and generic term applications have free reign! These smaller places can still OBJECT to an application – example would be “Aspen”.<br class=""> <br class=""> And this is precisely one of our tasks here: to unearth language and provisions of the 2012 AGB that maybe “worked” in 2012 – but likely create confusion in future rounds.<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><br class=""> Thanks,<br class=""> <br class=""> Alexander</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Susan Payne [<a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com</a>]<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <strong class="">Sent:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:41 AM<br class=""> <strong class="">To:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br class=""> <strong class="">Subject:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> </div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class="mce-item-anchor"></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">Well Alexander, this is a perfect example of why if you are going to agree with the wide-ranging and imprecise assertions of others then it would be well to be clear exactly what you are agreeing with. You actually do not agree with Christopher at all –or at least in large part.</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">What’s called a city seems to vary greatly from country to country. I’ve been to UK fishing villages that are bigger than “cities” in some other countries. The AGB just refers to a “city” but without defining what that is. Not that there’s any basis at law of course for the AGB city consent requirements, just for the avoidance of doubt.</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #76923c;" class="">Susan Payne</span></strong></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #76923c;" class="">Head of Legal Policy</span></strong><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; 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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class="">On Behalf Of<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Alexander Schubert<br class=""> <strong class="">Sent:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 May 2018 22:33<br class=""> <strong class="">To:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br class=""> <strong class="">Subject:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class="">Susan,</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class="">Your comment is very valuable:<br class=""> <br class=""> We HAVE to prevent that places like “rock” have veto rights over brand or generic term based gTLDs! The “Rock” (in Cornwall) you mentioned is a “fishing village” – and as such DOESN’T require any letter of non-objection per the 2012 AGB at all! But the point itself is well taken:<br class=""> <br class=""> We need to qualify a threshold for protection – most likely by quantifying the population! If we have a 10,000 (or 50,000) inhabitant cut-off: the overlay between those sizeable cities and brands and or generic terms is MINIMAL!<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <br class=""> Thanks,<br class=""> <br class=""> Alexander</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><p class="ox-2bde47d353-MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif;"><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class="">On Behalf Of<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Susan Payne<br class=""> <strong class="">Sent:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:23 AM<br class=""> <strong class="">To:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>;<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br class=""> <strong class="">Cc:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span></p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> </div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">Agreed Greg</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">Christopher, you appear to be suggesting that the term “rock” since it happens to be the name of at least one small town in Cornwall, England, and possibly elsewhere, could not be used as a TLD by geologists, landscapers, musicians, etc etc. On what possible legal, or indeed policy, basis? So no, you may not take that as agreed.</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #76923c;" class="">Susan Payne</span></strong></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #76923c;" class="">Head of Legal Policy</span></strong><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">|<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: #c39209;" class="">Valideus Ltd</span></strong></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">28-30 Little Russell Street</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">London, WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">E:<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class=""><a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #76923c;" class="">susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">D: +44 20 7421 8255</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">T: +44 20 7421 8299</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class="">M: +44 7971 661175</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red;" class=""> </span></strong></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,; sans-serif; color: #1f497d;" class=""> </span></div><p class="ox-2bde47d353-MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif;"><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,;" class=""><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class="">On Behalf Of<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>Greg Shatan<br class=""> <strong class="">Sent:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 May 2018 21:46<br class=""> <strong class="">To:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><br class=""> <strong class="">Cc:</strong><span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class="">Christopher wrote:</span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif; word-spacing: 1px;" class=""><span style="color: #313131;" class="">3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)</span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class="">There has been significant— repeated — objection to that proposition, so no, you may not take it that it is agreed in WT5.</span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class="">Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.</span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class="">Greg</span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:39 PM<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">Good afternoon:</span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">With respect, this is the first time that I have perceived that in 2012, Geo-Names Review was different from the Geo-Names Panel. I shall try and get my head around that!<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">Meanwhile, it would clearly be an advantage to have a review function available for ALL Geo-related applications, up front, BEFORE applicants and the mechanisms spend time and money on the approval procedures.<br class=""> <br class=""> I have already posted several comments that would significantly reduce the risks and uncertainties for Geo-Names applications.<span class="ox-2bde47d353-Apple-converted-space"> </span><em class="">Pour Memoire:</em></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">1. The application should be from an entity within the jurisdiction of the geo-name in question, and the proposed TLD Registry should be incorporated in that jurisdiction. There should not be any incorporations in third country tax havens.<br class=""> <br class=""> 2. There should be strict limits on the number of TLDs that may be applied for by any one entity. </span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">3. The 2012 option of non-geo use of a geo-name should be abandoned. (Since there has been no objection on the List to that - repeated - proposition, may I take it that is agreed in WT5?)</span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">Thus, these few, realistic, boundary conditions would considerably reduce the scope and frequency of disputes during applications and during implementation.</span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">Regards</span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">CW</span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="">PS: Since all applications for Geo-Names should have received non-objection letters from the appropriate authorities, I might imagine that the scope for String Contention would be considerably reduced if not eliminated.</span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times; New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New; Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span></div></blockquote></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""></div><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">_______________________________________________</pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list</pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a></pre></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> </div></div><span style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline;" class="">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline;" class=""><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><br style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none;" class=""> <span style="font-family: Avenir-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline;" class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div><br> <br><pre>_______________________________________________
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