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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I know I am a bit late
in tuning into these thoughts by Alexander. But it's never too
late to say "well said."</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"></font><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif"> I am reminded that, in it's earliest
days, the Internet itself was considered a public resource.
Even the slightest bit of advertising was shunned! We have
come a long way from there. But we still have a chance to
retain some of that original spirit. </font></font><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The city
domain name space could be seen and managed as a resource
for public benefit as Alexander suggests. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">And that
would have to be by design."It doesn't happen by
accident." <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">Marita Moll<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/22/2018 11:34 AM, Alexander
Schubert wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear
Liz,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
am a domain broker and “domainer” since 21 years and have
consequently analyzed the market from “inside” – ESPECIALLY
when it comes to newly minted gTLDs. I have participated in
all new gTLD introductions in the past, from .info, over .us
(liberation in 2001), .eu and so on. And there is a
FUNDAMENTAL difference between a historical grown name space
like “.com” or a ccTLD and new name spaces:<br>
<br>
If 10% of names in .com or .de are speculative registrations
- .com will survive just fine. No problem. But:<br>
A new gTLD is like a new “land” – best to be compared with
for example Dubai. Imagine the rulers of Dubai had sold
building lots for “cost value”; say for US $2,000 per lot.
They would probably have sold high volumes – but unlikely
that ANYTHING would have really being developed there. The
“dirt” would have remained what it is: “dirt”. Speculators
would have speculated.<br>
But wisely the Dubai rulers demanded from all land buyers to
DEVELOP their land – and build something; “something” that
by now is the sparkling community we all know: DUBAI!<br>
<br>
In Chicago there were several blocks of sub premium land.
Some people bought houses cheaply – and did NOTHING. But
others developed the land around – and made the area
“valuable”. Guess how the people who bought cheap and then
waited until the area became valuable were called? No. Not
“clever investors”. They were labeled “free-riders”. They
bought cheap and did nothing – waited for the land to
“mature” – then sold for prices that were high due to the
work of others. That’s what “domain investors” do: they buy
the premium land – let it sit for 5 to 10 years – THEN SELL
for 1,000 times the “investment”. “Clever”? Nope:
Mismanagement, free-Riding and damages the name-space:
nothing is being developed – no “Sparkling Dubai” – all
remains dirt. Legal – but doesn’t really advance the
experience of the Internet user.<br>
<br>
It’s all a question of public benefit philosophy – or the
absence of any.<br>
<br>
Regarding “local business”:<br>
Yes, of course one could argue that a domain tires.denver
owned by speculator and operating a tires.com Affiliate
website isn’t too bad. After all people in Denver can buy
tires on the website, and the domain owner “invested funds”,
the registry got some money in the premium auction (e.g. US
$2k – even if the domain is worth US $50k), and: “all OK,
no?”. Free market, and let the registry do what they want.<br>
My view on this: A city gTLD is a VALUABLE RESCOURCE, that
should aid the city community. It should be MANAGED – and
ideally in a way that impacting domains like business
verticals are supporting LOCAL business. The U.S. is CHOKING
on a gigantic import-export deficit: stuff is being bought
ABROAD instead nationally. The same is true for local
communities: The Internet serves as a Trojan horse to shift
local business outside the city. Tires being bought at a
tires.com Affiliate site displayed at tires.denver shift
revenue OUTSIDE Denver. Apartments leased via an Affiliate
site at apartments.denver destroy local real estate
businesses. This list goes on and on and on. The huge
advantage of a locally MANAGED city gTLD is to ADVANCE LOCAL
BUSINESS! Hence “.denver”! If you wanted to buy tires
SOMEWHERE – then do it. But the very idea of a .city gTLD is
that it promotes LOCAL BUSINESSES! And that doesn’t happen
by “accident” – it has to be promoted and MANAGED. And the
ones who do that best are the local business constituencies
– business associations, chambers, etc.!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Imagine
somebody bought a wood (large property full of trees) for
cheap money – and would harvest ALL trees, and sell them at
once: Yes, they would make a profit. Is it good for the
land? Nope – the land will erode. Hence laws and rules
regulate wood harvesting. It’s the same with city gTLDs.
Selling all the premium domains in SEDO auctions to
“investors” makes money – and drives registration volume:
but it deprives the namespace of creating “beacon” domains
that serve as brand ambassadors for the city gTLD.<br>
<br>
Took me a few years to develop all these thoughts. I am
thinking about community name spaces since 2004. I love
earning money – but I love even more when I serve people
while doing so. Not all life is about making cash fast.<br>
<br>
So when a city Government is being presented with a city
constituencies funded, owned, managed and marketed
“non-profit” effort to advance the city – and on the other
hand with an operator that merely “makes the namespace
available”: let the cities representatives decide. I agree
with you: ICANN should NOT “tell applicants where to base
their business” or how to operate it. It’s fine when there
are offshore based portfolio applicants with large amounts
of VC money running around and trying to convince cities to
operate a valuable and important city infrastructure. But
allow the city to decide whom they pick – don’t let VC money
“brute force” ownership of city namespaces.<br>
<br>
Btw: Sadly the “managing” part wasn’t well developed in the
first batch of city gTLDs. I think this will dramatically
change in the next round. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Liz
Williams [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 06:39<br>
<b>To:</b> Alexander Schubert
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"><alexander@schubert.berlin></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the
threshold for requirement of letters of non-objection!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Alexander <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wanted to explore a little further your
assertion that an applicant for a geo-TLD should be locally
based. Our freedom of expression/civil liberties colleagues
will have a better handle on those imperatives but I wonder
why one would expect an applicant to be located in the
community when, for example, a geographic domain name label
may be a means of expressing dissent or difference from the
current government? It is not a pre-requisite for ICANN to
be telling applicants who meet the evaluation criteria that
they should be “local”. We also know that the Internet
enables us to be wherever we want to be to do business…that
is one of the most amazing characteristics of the Internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is also not desirable for ICANN to
tell applicants where they should locate their businesses.
Organisations legitimately and perfectly legally choose the
registered location for their business based on, for
example, tax treatment, ease of doing business, rule of law,
incentives for entrepreneurs, bandwidth and timezone. Those
are all good things we wouldn’t want to interfere with.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I doubt that it is supportable to have a
prohibition on entities applying for several geographic
labels. What if it were a good thing that an expert
registry operator was able to provide services to
communities in unique and attractive ways? I would have
thought that is a nice niche business that could benefit
communities in good ways? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And finally, I don’t understand the
problem with domain investors. Those domain name owners are
legitimate purchasers of domain names at the second level.
Many registry operators are propped up by those investors
and the secondary domain name market is active and mature
which is another indicator of competition and consumer
choice. I think we can all agree that mis-using a domain
name, whoever owns it, isn’t a desirable market outcome but
there are measures in place to deal with that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looking forward to the views of others.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Liz <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Avenir",serif;color:black">….<br>
Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs<br>
.au Domain Administration Ltd<br>
M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757<br>
E: <a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">liz.williams@auda.org.au</a> <a
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20 May 2018, at 9:40 pm,
Alexander Schubert <<a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Christopher,<br>
<br>
I completely understand (and support) your notion,
that an applicant for a geo-gTLD should be locally
rooted; ideally geo-community funded, managed and
marketed. And I am completely in agreement with
you that we should create policy that prevents
that a few big players are blanketing the geo-gTLD
space with hundreds of applications each a copy
& paste job of the other, with absolutely zero
knowledge of the specific city community and no
intent to further THEIR specific agenda – instead
trying to make money FAST.<br>
<br>
And obviously letters of non-objection will help a
lot – because by 2020 the mayors of a major cities
WILL know a bit about the pitfalls of the
management for city gTLDs (consultants will bring
them up to speed and help them to navigate the
jungle of examining the applicants funding,
marketing, community-engagement and rooting,
management, etc).<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
suggest a measure to reduce mass land-grab:
“Prohibition to apply for several geo-gTLDs for
the same entity”. I was a “domainer” (shame on me)
since 1997, and then started to create community
based gTLDs in 2004 (.berlin was a community
owned, funded, managed and designated gTLD
application, as was the .gay applicant I founded).
I personally know quite a bunch of “domainers
turned portfolio applicants”. And I know their
abilities, their endurance. They will simply have
a legal entity in each city – intelligently
managed through notaries acting on their behalf.
I am happy to help looking into policy that is
designed to stop geo-name land grab; but the
measure proposed by you is probably easily to be
gamed.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>
Wilkinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
May 20, 2018 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Marita
Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the threshold
for requirement of letters of non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">God
morning:<br>
<br>
A tiered system would need a revision procedure and a
repository of exceptions.<br>
There are some quite small places of significance for
tourism, religious, cultural or historical reasons.<br>
<br>
In this context, I maintain my position against
multiple Geo-TLDs with the same entity, and for
incorporation within the jurisdiction of the Name in
question. And my warning about areas of contested
sovereignty.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">CW<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">El
20 de mayo de 2018 a las 8:09 Marita Moll <<a
href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:purple">mmoll@ca.inter.net</span></a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We
also need to factor in the point that the size of
cities in not static. There are periods, like now,
when populations are on the move -- for many
different reasons. A tiered system for dealing with
cities of various sizes still makes sense to me.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Marita<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/18/2018 6:27 AM, Liz
Williams wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Alexander<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your assertion about
“nobody is going to apply for .pienza anyways
— too small” is precisely the kind of
subjective judgment we must not make in this
policy development process. Any applicant
that meets the criteria in the application
process should be able to apply and be
evaluated fairly and objectively.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And the second problem is
with your argument about “sizeable” cities. It
is flawed to suggest that we can somehow have
a cut off on size for a geographic entity
especially when geographic entities may not
just be cities. Should we limit the length of
rivers; the height of mountains; the areas of
agricultural production for cheese? We are
not only discussing top level domains that may
reflect city entities and we need to think
carefully about what we do about other
geographic terms, if any.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Avenir",serif">….<br>
Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs<br>
.au Domain Administration Ltd<br>
M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757<br>
E: <a
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 17 May 2018, at
7:16 pm, Alexander Schubert <<a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
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style="color:purple">alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a>>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">This is
part of the trade-off:<br>
<br>
Only applications for strings
identical to SIZEABLE cities have
to produce Government support – in
exchange the “non-geo use” clause
is eliminated!<br>
<br>
Obviously if somebody wanted to
apply for .pienza to enable that
2,000 people community to identify
themselves on the Internet: go for
it. But why having extra
“protections” for such a small
geo-entity? Nobody is going to
apply for .pienza anyways – too
small.<span
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<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
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style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span
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style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">On
Behalf Of</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span>Marita Moll<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Sent:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 17,
2018 8:28 AM<br>
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<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Subject:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the threshold for
requirement of letters of
non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"> I have heard
that in Italy a city is any grouping
of people that has a cathedral and a
bishop. (Maybe someone on the list can
confirm this.) I just visited one
(Pienza) that has only 2000 people and
does have a mayor, so some form of
government. So, if it is a city and
does have a government but is well
below the population cut off, how
would the provisions below protect
Pienza (or not)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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5/17/2018 1:14 AM, Alexander
Schubert wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Either
I have not expressed myself
precise enough – or I am
misunderstood:<br>
<br>
In the 2012 AGB it clearly
states “city name”. I think the
requirement to produce a letter
of non-objection from the city’s
government implies that only
city’s that HAVE any form of
Government are targeted by this
rule. Rock doesn’t have any
“Government” – it is such a
small village (1,200 people)
that it is governed by others.
There is a reference to “city
government” in Module 2, page 18
of 42, 2.2.1.4.2 in 2b – there
in the reference 7 (<a
href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/evaluation-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf</span></a>):<br>
<em><b><span
style="color:#2E75B6">“City
governments with concerns
about strings that are
duplicates, nicknames or
close renderings of a city
name should not rely</span></b></em></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><em><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">on
the evaluation process as
the primary means of
protecting their interests
in a string. Rather, a
government may elect to file
a</span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><em><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">formal
objection to an application
that is opposed by the
relevant community, or may
submit its own application
for the string.”</span></b></em><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
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This language clearly implies
that “city” in respect to the
support requirement is defined
as a place that has its own
“Government”.<span
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I am very much in agreement with
you that the 2012 AGB
specification “city name” is a
disaster. It’s not really
defined and way too broad. By
introducing a population-size
cutoff we eliminate all the
smallish places that nobody
really would ever create a geo
gTLD for anyways – so brands and
generic term applications have
free reign! These smaller places
can still OBJECT to an
application – example would be
“Aspen”.<br>
<br>
And this is precisely one of our
tasks here: to unearth language
and provisions of the 2012 AGB
that maybe “worked” in 2012 –
but likely create confusion in
future rounds.<span
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Susan
Payne [<a
href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a>]<span
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<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Sent:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 17,
2018 12:41 AM<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">To:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">alexander@schubert.berlin</span></a>;<span
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Subject:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the threshold for
requirement of letters of
non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Well
Alexander, this is a perfect
example of why if you are going
to agree with the wide-ranging
and imprecise assertions of
others then it would be well to
be clear exactly what you are
agreeing with. You actually do
not agree with Christopher at
all –or at least in large part.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What’s
called a city seems to vary
greatly from country to
country. I’ve been to UK
fishing villages that are bigger
than “cities” in some other
countries. The AGB just refers
to a “city” but without defining
what that is. Not that there’s
any basis at law of course for
the AGB city consent
requirements, just for the
avoidance of doubt.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Payne</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C">Head
of Legal Policy</span></strong><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></b></span><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209">Valideus
Ltd</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">28-30
Little Russell StreetWell<span
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WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif"><a
href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C">susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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+44 20 7421 8255</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">T:
+44 20 7421 8299</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">M:
+44 7971 661175</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
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style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">On
Behalf Of</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span>Alexander
Schubert<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Sent:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>16 May 2018 22:33<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">To:</span></strong><span
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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<strong><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Subject:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the threshold for
requirement of letters of
non-objection!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Your
comment is very valuable:<br>
<br>
We HAVE to prevent that places
like “rock” have veto rights
over brand or generic term based
gTLDs! The “Rock” (in Cornwall)
you mentioned is a “fishing
village” – and as such DOESN’T
require any letter of
non-objection per the 2012 AGB
at all! But the point itself is
well taken:<br>
<br>
We need to qualify a threshold
for protection – most likely by
quantifying the population! If
we have a 10,000 (or 50,000)
inhabitant cut-off: the overlay
between those sizeable cities
and brands and or generic terms
is MINIMAL!<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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initial"><strong><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>On Behalf Of</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span>Susan Payne<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
May 17, 2018 12:23 AM<br>
<strong>To:</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Greg
Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a>>;<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson <<a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>><br>
<strong>Cc:</strong><span
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Agreed
Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Christopher,
you appear to be suggesting that
the term “rock” since it happens
to be the name of at least one
small town in Cornwall, England,
and possibly elsewhere, could
not be used as a TLD by
geologists, landscapers,
musicians, etc etc. On what
possible legal, or indeed
policy, basis? So no, you may
not take that as agreed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C">Susan
Payne</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#76923C">Head
of Legal Policy</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></b></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">|<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span></span><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#C39209">Valideus
Ltd</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">28-30
Little Russell Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#76923C">susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">D:
+44 20 7421 8255</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">T:
+44 20 7421 8299</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">M:
+44 7971 661175</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="ox-2bde47d353-msonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;background-position:initial
initial;background-repeat:initial
initial"><strong><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>On Behalf Of</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span>Greg Shatan<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>16
May 2018 21:46<br>
<strong>To:</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson <<a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>><br>
<strong>Cc:</strong><span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#313131">3.
The 2012 option of non-geo use
of a geo-name should be
abandoned. (Since there has
been no objection on the List
to that - repeated
- proposition, may I take it
that is agreed in WT5?)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">There has been
significant— repeated —
objection to that
proposition, so no, you may
not take it that it is
agreed in WT5.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Avenir-Light",serif">Thanks for the
opportunity to clarify that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:39 PM<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>Wilkinson
<<a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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afternoon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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respect, this is the first
time that I have perceived
that in 2012, Geo-Names
Review was different from
the Geo-Names Panel. I shall
try and get my head around
that!<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">Meanwhile,
it would clearly be an
advantage to have a review
function available for ALL
Geo-related applications, up
front, BEFORE applicants and
the mechanisms spend time
and money on the approval
procedures.<br>
<br>
I have already posted
several comments that would
significantly reduce the
risks and uncertainties for
Geo-Names applications.<span
class="ox-2bde47d353-apple-converted-space"> </span><em>Pour Memoire:</em><o:p></o:p></p>
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The application should be
from an entity within the
jurisdiction of the geo-name
in question, and the
proposed TLD Registry should
be incorporated in that
jurisdiction. There should
not be any incorporations in
third country tax havens.<br>
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2. There should be strict
limits on the number of TLDs
that may be applied for by
any one entity. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">3.
The 2012 option of non-geo
use of a geo-name should be
abandoned. (Since there has
been no objection on the
List to that - repeated
- proposition, may I take it
that is agreed in WT5?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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these few, realistic,
boundary conditions would
considerably reduce the
scope and frequency of
disputes during applications
and during implementation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="background:white">PS:
Since all applications for
Geo-Names should have
received non-objection
letters from the appropriate
authorities, I might imagine
that the scope for String
Contention would be
considerably reduced if not
eliminated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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