<div dir="ltr">THAT is the question....</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Marita Moll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Just on the final thought below: I wonder what kinds of neutral
measures there could be to measure applications. If a city of
500,000 comes along with the same name as a hamlet of 500 and a
brand of beer -- all seeking to acquire the same string -- under
what conditions would the name NOT go to the large city. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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Marita Moll</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div class="m_7986622058443390664moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2018 3:08 AM, Liz Williams
wrote:<br>
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The challenge with these kind of cut off
numbers/percentages/qualifiers is that they don’t recognise the
realities of
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<div>A) numerous examples of where this just doesn’t
work when generic words clash with trademarks which clash with
geographic terms where no one right is more valid than any
other.</div>
<div>B) competing applications (from the Perths or
Londons or Rocks) of the world which could be some of the
largest cities in the world to the tiniest island towns that
want to connect their unique identity to the global internet</div>
<div>C) legitimate dissent where a geographic location is
contested (in all forms of geographic and cultural contest) but
where it is entirely feasible for a legitimate application to be
submitted for which freedom of expression is paramount.
Mandating support or “non-objection” is a guarantee of failure
where the applicant may have different views to the government
of the day.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We must think clearly about neutral measures for
evaluators to measure applications…not coming up with select
lists which we will, guaranteed, get wrong. </div>
<div>Liz
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<div>On 2 Jun 2018, at 12:15 pm, Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Alexander,<br>
<br>
I very much like the idea of a percentage of citizens
of a nation as consideration for qualifying select
list of cities in order to not exclude smaller cities
from protective measures enjoyed by capital cities and
ISO 3166 Alpha-2 subnational regions. Percentages
would work much better than absolute values.</div>
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<div class="m_7986622058443390664gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Thank
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;display:inline"> you for
suggesting this.</div>
<br>
<br>
Justine <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 1 June 2018 at 23:28,
Alexander Schubert <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_7986622058443390664_m_1467855337704819413__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Greg,</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So in other words folks who are
trying to preserve identity rights for
city inhabitants are “GEO Supremacists” in
your eyes? I assume you just want to
showcase your extreme displeasure with the
suggested protective measures. Just search
“USA supremacy” in
<a href="http://google.com/" target="_blank">google.com</a>;
and you know why it hurts to be called a
“supremacist”. Maybe you weren’t aware how
insulting the term is.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>
But trying to stay on the topic matter:</span></p>
<p class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I think we have reached general
agreement that the public
representatives for inhabitants of
certain geo-entities deserve the
unilateral right to vet an identical
gTLD application.</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72pt"><span><span>o<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And in the languages that
matters! See Moscow: Even when only a
smaller percentage of Muscovites speaks
English – the gTLD is bilingual; one gTLD
in English and an IDN version in Russian.
Just the local language isn’t enough in a
globalized world. I am a good example in
this case: For my Russian traveling I use
schubert.moscow – and I wouldn’t want an
IDN version. I hope it’s not too
“supremacist” when a metropole desires
their well-known global brand in the
English language as well (being a capital
or not – Moscow was covered as it is
capital).</span></p>
<p class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Examples of the above mentioned
agreed on protective measures are
capital cities or ISO 3166 Alpha-2
subnational regions.
</span></b></p>
<p class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My suggestion is that we extend
the same rights to cities once these
meet a certain threshold.</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">
</span></p>
<p class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72pt"><span><span>o<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You suggest that this should be a
“select list”. So we have to define the
threshold that defines the “list”. This
could be an absolute number of inhabitants
– or a percentage of citizens – or the
lower of both values. Example: the city
needs to have at minimum 250,000
inhabitants – or at least 2.5% of the
nation’s population. The exact measures
need to be explored. This way in countries
with less than 10 Million people (and that
is WELL more than half of all countries in
the world) slightly smaller cities are
protected as well. Latvia has 2 Million
people – 2.5% equals 50,000! That protects
4 cities aside of the capital.
</span></p>
<p class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If a city doesn’t make the
“select list” the 2012 AGB rules apply:
government support only required if
geo-use intent.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bo<wbr>unces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 1. Juni
2018 06:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span></p>
<div>
<div class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-h5"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Qualifying the
threshold for requirement of letters of
non-objection!</div>
</div>
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<div class="m_7986622058443390664gmail-h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m in favor of
TLDs being applied for and used as
city TLDs by those cities or on
their behalf.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m open to the
idea that a very small and select
list of cities would have
veto/blocking/consent/non-obje<wbr>ction privileges
(practically, they’re all pretty
much the same) over any use of a
string identical to their name (in
the language of that city), even
for non-geo uses.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m open to the
idea of a larger group of cities
that would have those privileges,
but only in the context of use in
connection with that city.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not in favor
of a general rule based on the
geosupremacist idea that a geo use
is superior to all other uses. I’m
really not in favor of a general
rule that non-use/non-application
for geo purposes should get in the
way of an application for another
use of that same string.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Strings have
multiple meanings and uses. There
is no general rule of a hierarchy of
rights among legitimate uses of that
string. There is certainly no
hierarchy that puts geo uses at the
top of the list every time.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 31,
2018 at 7:54 PM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p>I know I am a bit late
in tuning into these thoughts by
Alexander. But it's never too
late to say "well said."</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times,serif">I am reminded that,
in it's earliest days, the
Internet itself was considered
a public resource. Even the
slightest bit of advertising
was shunned! We have come a
long way from there. But we
still have a chance to retain
some of that original spirit.
</span>The city domain name
space could be seen and managed
as a resource for public benefit
as Alexander suggests.
</p>
<p>And that would have to
be by design."It doesn't happen
by accident." <u>
</u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-family:Times,serif">Marita Moll</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
5/22/2018 11:34 AM, Alexander
Schubert wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_7986622058443390664_m_1467855337704819413_m_-5000858957205867718__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Liz,</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am a domain
broker and “domainer”
since 21 years and have
consequently analyzed the
market from “inside” –
ESPECIALLY when it comes
to newly minted gTLDs. I
have participated in all
new gTLD introductions in
the past, from .info, over
.us (liberation in 2001),
.eu and so on. And there
is a FUNDAMENTAL
difference between a
historical grown name
space like “.com” or a
ccTLD and new name spaces:<br>
<br>
If 10% of names in .com or
.de are speculative
registrations - .com will
survive just fine. No
problem. But:<br>
A new gTLD is like a new
“land” – best to be
compared with for example
Dubai. Imagine the rulers
of Dubai had sold building
lots for “cost value”; say
for US $2,000 per lot.
They would probably have
sold high volumes – but
unlikely that ANYTHING
would have really being
developed there. The
“dirt” would have remained
what it is: “dirt”.
Speculators would have
speculated.<br>
But wisely the Dubai
rulers demanded from all
land buyers to DEVELOP
their land – and build
something; “something”
that by now is the
sparkling community we all
know: DUBAI!<br>
<br>
In Chicago there were
several blocks of sub
premium land. Some people
bought houses cheaply –
and did NOTHING. But
others developed the land
around – and made the area
“valuable”. Guess how the
people who bought cheap
and then waited until the
area became valuable were
called? No. Not “clever
investors”. They were
labeled “free-riders”.
They bought cheap and did
nothing – waited for the
land to “mature” – then
sold for prices that were
high due to the work of
others. That’s what
“domain investors” do:
they buy the premium land
– let it sit for 5 to 10
years – THEN SELL for
1,000 times the
“investment”. “Clever”?
Nope: Mismanagement,
free-Riding and damages
the name-space: nothing is
being developed – no
“Sparkling Dubai” – all
remains dirt. Legal – but
doesn’t really advance the
experience of the Internet
user.<br>
<br>
It’s all a question of
public benefit philosophy
– or the absence of any.<br>
<br>
Regarding “local
business”:<br>
Yes, of course one could
argue that a domain
tires.denver owned by
speculator and operating a
<a href="http://tires.com/" target="_blank">tires.com</a>
Affiliate website isn’t
too bad. After all people
in Denver can buy tires on
the website, and the
domain owner “invested
funds”, the registry got
some money in the premium
auction (e.g. US $2k –
even if the domain is
worth US $50k), and: “all
OK, no?”. Free market, and
let the registry do what
they want.<br>
My view on this: A city
gTLD is a VALUABLE
RESCOURCE, that should aid
the city community. It
should be MANAGED – and
ideally in a way that
impacting domains like
business verticals are
supporting LOCAL business.
The U.S. is CHOKING on a
gigantic import-export
deficit: stuff is being
bought ABROAD instead
nationally. The same is
true for local
communities: The Internet
serves as a Trojan horse
to shift local business
outside the city. Tires
being bought at a
<a href="http://tires.com/" target="_blank">tires.com</a>
Affiliate site displayed
at tires.denver shift
revenue OUTSIDE Denver.
Apartments leased via an
Affiliate site at
apartments.denver destroy
local real estate
businesses. This list goes
on and on and on. The huge
advantage of a locally
MANAGED city gTLD is to
ADVANCE LOCAL BUSINESS!
Hence “.denver”! If you
wanted to buy tires
SOMEWHERE – then do it.
But the very idea of a
.city gTLD is that it
promotes LOCAL BUSINESSES!
And that doesn’t happen by
“accident” – it has to be
promoted and MANAGED. And
the ones who do that best
are the local business
constituencies – business
associations, chambers,
etc.!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Imagine somebody
bought a wood (large
property full of trees)
for cheap money – and
would harvest ALL trees,
and sell them at once:
Yes, they would make a
profit. Is it good for the
land? Nope – the land will
erode. Hence laws and
rules regulate wood
harvesting. It’s the same
with city gTLDs. Selling
all the premium domains in
SEDO auctions to
“investors” makes money –
and drives registration
volume: but it deprives
the namespace of creating
“beacon” domains that
serve as brand ambassadors
for the city gTLD.<br>
<br>
Took me a few years to
develop all these
thoughts. I am thinking
about community name
spaces since 2004. I love
earning money – but I love
even more when I serve
people while doing so. Not
all life is about making
cash fast.<br>
<br>
So when a city Government
is being presented with a
city constituencies
funded, owned, managed and
marketed “non-profit”
effort to advance the city
– and on the other hand
with an operator that
merely “makes the
namespace available”: let
the cities representatives
decide. I agree with you:
ICANN should NOT “tell
applicants where to base
their business” or how to
operate it. It’s fine when
there are offshore based
portfolio applicants with
large amounts of VC money
running around and trying
to convince cities to
operate a valuable and
important city
infrastructure. But allow
the city to decide whom
they pick – don’t let VC
money “brute force”
ownership of city
namespaces.<br>
<br>
Btw: Sadly the “managing”
part wasn’t well developed
in the first batch of city
gTLDs. I think this will
dramatically change in the
next round.
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Liz
Williams [<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" target="_blank">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.<wbr>au</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b>
Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018
06:39<br>
<b>To:</b>
Alexander Schubert <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">
<alexander@schubert.berlin></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the
threshold for
requirement of letters
of non-objection!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello
Alexander </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
wanted to explore a little
further your assertion
that an applicant for a
geo-TLD should be locally
based. Our freedom of
expression/civil liberties
colleagues will have a
better handle on those
imperatives but I wonder
why one would expect an
applicant to be located in
the community when, for
example, a geographic
domain name label may be a
means of expressing
dissent or difference from
the current government?
It is not a pre-requisite
for ICANN to be telling
applicants who meet the
evaluation criteria that
they should be “local”.
We also know that the
Internet enables us to be
wherever we want to be to
do business…that is one of
the most amazing
characteristics of the
Internet.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is
also not desirable for
ICANN to tell applicants
where they should locate
their businesses.
Organisations legitimately
and perfectly legally
choose the registered
location for their
business based on, for
example, tax treatment,
ease of doing business,
rule of law, incentives
for entrepreneurs,
bandwidth and timezone.
Those are all good things
we wouldn’t want to
interfere with.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I doubt
that it is supportable to
have a prohibition on
entities applying for
several geographic
labels. What if it were a
good thing that an expert
registry operator was able
to provide services to
communities in unique and
attractive ways? I would
have thought that is a
nice niche business that
could benefit communities
in good ways? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And
finally, I don’t
understand the problem
with domain investors.
Those domain name owners
are legitimate purchasers
of domain names at the
second level. Many
registry operators are
propped up by those
investors and the
secondary domain name
market is active and
mature which is another
indicator of competition
and consumer choice. I
think we can all agree
that mis-using a domain
name, whoever owns it,
isn’t a desirable market
outcome but there are
measures in place to deal
with that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looking
forward to the views of
others.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
20 May 2018, at 9:40
pm, Alexander
Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Christopher,<br>
<br>
I completely
understand (and
support) your
notion, that an
applicant for a
geo-gTLD should
be locally
rooted; ideally
geo-community
funded, managed
and marketed.
And I am
completely in
agreement with
you that we
should create
policy that
prevents that a
few big players
are blanketing
the geo-gTLD
space with
hundreds of
applications
each a copy
& paste job
of the other,
with absolutely
zero knowledge
of the specific
city community
and no intent to
further THEIR
specific agenda
– instead trying
to make money
FAST.<br>
<br>
And obviously
letters of
non-objection
will help a lot
– because by
2020 the mayors
of a major
cities WILL know
a bit about the
pitfalls of the
management for
city gTLDs
(consultants
will bring them
up to speed and
help them to
navigate the
jungle of
examining the
applicants
funding,
marketing,
community-engagement
and rooting,
management,
etc).<br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You
suggest a
measure to
reduce mass
land-grab:
“Prohibition to
apply for
several
geo-gTLDs for
the same
entity”. I was a
“domainer”
(shame on me)
since 1997, and
then started to
create community
based gTLDs in
2004 (.berlin
was a community
owned, funded,
managed and
designated gTLD
application, as
was the .gay
applicant I
founded). I
personally know
quite a bunch of
“domainers
turned portfolio
applicants”. And
I know their
abilities, their
endurance. They
will simply have
a legal entity
in each city –
intelligently
managed through
notaries acting
on their
behalf. I am
happy to help
looking into
policy that is
designed to stop
geo-name land
grab; but the
measure proposed
by you is
probably easily
to be gamed.<br>
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<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
<br>
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