<div><div dir="auto">No, it’s not a neutral measure. There is no neutral hierarchy of legitimate uses.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What if it’s a global brand of beer? What if it’s considered the best beer of all time? What if the town is better known than the city? What if the city is a crime-ridden hole? What if it’s luxury goods instead of beer?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But at least here we are talking about resolving contention sets among applicants. When we talk about applicants vs. non-applicants, a hierarchy of favoring use vs. non-use seems fairly neutral.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:48 PM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Well, maybe we can
assume that it would always go to the city of 500,000 because of
the number of people who would be directly negatively affected
if the name went to beer brand. Could that be considered a
neutral measure?<br>
</font></p></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita Moll<br>
</font></p></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<br>
<div class="m_6928247360478289285moz-cite-prefix">On 6/7/2018 8:34 PM, Maureen Hilyard
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>THAT is the question....</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Marita
Moll <span><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Just on the final
thought below: I wonder what kinds of neutral measures
there could be to measure applications. If a city of
500,000 comes along with the same name as a hamlet of 500
and a brand of beer -- all seeking to acquire the same
string -- under what conditions would the name NOT go to
the large city. <br>
<span class="m_6928247360478289285HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
Marita Moll</font></span>
<div>
<div class="m_6928247360478289285h5"><br>
<br>
<div class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664moz-cite-prefix">On
6/2/2018 3:08 AM, Liz Williams wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> The challenge with these kind
of cut off numbers/percentages/qualifiers is that
they don’t recognise the realities of
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A) numerous examples of where this just
doesn’t work when generic words clash with
trademarks which clash with geographic terms where
no one right is more valid than any other.</div>
<div>B) competing applications (from the Perths or
Londons or Rocks) of the world which could be some
of the largest cities in the world to the tiniest
island towns that want to connect their unique
identity to the global internet</div>
<div>C) legitimate dissent where a geographic
location is contested (in all forms of geographic
and cultural contest) but where it is entirely
feasible for a legitimate application to be
submitted for which freedom of expression is
paramount. Mandating support or “non-objection”
is a guarantee of failure where the applicant may
have different views to the government of the day.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We must think clearly about neutral measures
for evaluators to measure applications…not coming
up with select lists which we will, guaranteed,
get wrong. </div>
<div>Liz
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<div>On 2 Jun 2018, at 12:15 pm, Justine Chew
<<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664Apple-interchange-newline">
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Alexander,<br>
<br>
I very much like the idea of a
percentage of citizens of a nation as
consideration for qualifying select list
of cities in order to not exclude
smaller cities from protective measures
enjoyed by capital cities and ISO 3166
Alpha-2 subnational regions. Percentages
would work much better than absolute
values.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Thank
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;display:inline">
you for suggesting this.</div>
<br>
<br>
Justine <br>
-----</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 1 June 2018
at 23:28, Alexander Schubert <span> <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US">
<div class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6928247360478289285_m_7986622058443390664_m_1467855337704819413__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Greg,</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So
in other words folks who are
trying to preserve identity
rights for city inhabitants
are “GEO Supremacists” in
your eyes? I assume you just
want to showcase your
extreme displeasure with the
suggested protective
measures. Just search “USA
supremacy” in <a href="http://google.com/" target="_blank">google.com</a>;
and you know why it hurts to
be called a “supremacist”.
Maybe you weren’t aware how
insulting the term is.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>
But trying to stay on the
topic matter:</span></p>
<p class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
think we have reached
general agreement that the
public representatives for
inhabitants of certain
geo-entities deserve the
unilateral right to vet an
identical gTLD
application.</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72pt"><span><span>o<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And
in the languages that
matters! See Moscow: Even
when only a smaller
percentage of Muscovites
speaks English – the gTLD is
bilingual; one gTLD in
English and an IDN version
in Russian. Just the local
language isn’t enough in a
globalized world. I am a
good example in this case:
For my Russian traveling I
use schubert.moscow – and I
wouldn’t want an IDN
version. I hope it’s not too
“supremacist” when a
metropole desires their
well-known global brand in
the English language as well
(being a capital or not –
Moscow was covered as it is
capital).</span></p>
<p class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Examples
of the above mentioned
agreed on protective
measures are capital
cities or ISO 3166 Alpha-2
subnational regions. </span></b></p>
<p class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My
suggestion is that we
extend the same rights to
cities once these meet a
certain threshold.</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">
</span></p>
<p class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72pt"><span><span>o<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You
suggest that this should be
a “select list”. So we have
to define the threshold that
defines the “list”. This
could be an absolute number
of inhabitants – or a
percentage of citizens – or
the lower of both values.
Example: the city needs to
have at minimum 250,000
inhabitants – or at least
2.5% of the nation’s
population. The exact
measures need to be
explored. This way in
countries with less than 10
Million people (and that is
WELL more than half of all
countries in the world)
slightly smaller cities are
protected as well. Latvia
has 2 Million people – 2.5%
equals 50,000! That protects
4 cities aside of the
capital. </span></p>
<p class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-m_1467855337704819413MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
a city doesn’t make the
“select list” the 2012 AGB
rules apply: government
support only required if
geo-use intent.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg
Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 1.
Juni 2018 06:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span></p>
<div>
<div class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-h5"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the threshold for
requirement of letters of
non-objection!</div>
</div>
<div><br class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>
<div class="m_6928247360478289285m_7986622058443390664gmail-h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m
in favor of TLDs being
applied for and used
as city TLDs by those
cities or on their
behalf.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m
open to the idea that
a very small and
select list of cities
would have
veto/blocking/consent/non-objection
privileges
(practically, they’re
all pretty much the
same) over any use of
a string identical to
their name (in the
language of that
city), even for
non-geo uses.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m
open to the idea of a
larger group of cities
that would have those
privileges, but only
in the context of use
in connection with
that city.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m
not in favor of a
general rule based on
the geosupremacist
idea that a geo use is
superior to all other
uses. I’m really not
in favor of a general
rule that
non-use/non-application
for geo purposes
should get in the way
of an application for
another use of that
same string.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Strings
have multiple meanings
and uses. There is no
general rule of a
hierarchy of rights
among legitimate uses
of that string. There
is certainly no
hierarchy that puts
geo uses at the top
of the list every
time.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
Thu, May 31, 2018 at
7:54 PM Marita Moll
<<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p>I know I am a bit
late in tuning
into these
thoughts by
Alexander. But
it's never too
late to say "well
said."</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times,serif">I
am reminded
that, in it's
earliest days,
the Internet
itself was
considered a
public resource.
Even the
slightest bit of
advertising was
shunned! We have
come a long way
from there. But
we still have a
chance to retain
some of that
original spirit.
</span>The city
domain name space
could be seen and
managed as a
resource for
public benefit as
Alexander
suggests. </p>
<p>And that would
have to be by
design."It doesn't
happen by
accident." <u> </u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-family:Times,serif">Marita
Moll</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
5/22/2018 11:34
AM, Alexander
Schubert wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6928247360478289285_m_7986622058443390664_m_1467855337704819413_m_-5000858957205867718__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear
Liz,</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
am a domain
broker and
“domainer”
since 21 years
and have
consequently
analyzed the
market from
“inside” –
ESPECIALLY
when it comes
to newly
minted gTLDs.
I have
participated
in all new
gTLD
introductions
in the past,
from .info,
over .us
(liberation
in 2001), .eu
and so on. And
there is a
FUNDAMENTAL
difference
between a
historical
grown name
space like
“.com” or a
ccTLD and new
name spaces:<br>
<br>
If 10% of
names in .com
or .de are
speculative
registrations
- .com will
survive just
fine. No
problem. But:<br>
A new gTLD is
like a new
“land” – best
to be compared
with for
example Dubai.
Imagine the
rulers of
Dubai had sold
building lots
for “cost
value”; say
for US $2,000
per lot. They
would probably
have sold high
volumes – but
unlikely that
ANYTHING would
have really
being
developed
there. The
“dirt” would
have remained
what it is:
“dirt”.
Speculators
would have
speculated.<br>
But wisely the
Dubai rulers
demanded from
all land
buyers to
DEVELOP their
land – and
build
something;
“something”
that by now is
the sparkling
community we
all know:
DUBAI!<br>
<br>
In Chicago
there were
several blocks
of sub premium
land. Some
people bought
houses cheaply
– and did
NOTHING. But
others
developed the
land around –
and made the
area
“valuable”.
Guess how the
people who
bought cheap
and then
waited until
the area
became
valuable were
called? No.
Not “clever
investors”.
They were
labeled
“free-riders”.
They bought
cheap and did
nothing –
waited for the
land to
“mature” –
then sold for
prices that
were high due
to the work of
others. That’s
what “domain
investors” do:
they buy the
premium land –
let it sit for
5 to 10 years
– THEN SELL
for 1,000
times the
“investment”.
“Clever”?
Nope:
Mismanagement,
free-Riding
and damages
the
name-space:
nothing is
being
developed – no
“Sparkling
Dubai” – all
remains dirt.
Legal – but
doesn’t really
advance the
experience of
the Internet
user.<br>
<br>
It’s all a
question of
public benefit
philosophy –
or the absence
of any.<br>
<br>
Regarding
“local
business”:<br>
Yes, of course
one could
argue that a
domain
tires.denver
owned by
speculator and
operating a <a href="http://tires.com/" target="_blank">tires.com</a>
Affiliate
website isn’t
too bad. After
all people in
Denver can buy
tires on the
website, and
the domain
owner
“invested
funds”, the
registry got
some money in
the premium
auction (e.g.
US $2k – even
if the domain
is worth US
$50k), and:
“all OK, no?”.
Free market,
and let the
registry do
what they
want.<br>
My view on
this: A city
gTLD is a
VALUABLE
RESCOURCE,
that should
aid the city
community. It
should be
MANAGED – and
ideally in a
way that
impacting
domains like
business
verticals are
supporting
LOCAL
business. The
U.S. is
CHOKING on a
gigantic
import-export
deficit: stuff
is being
bought ABROAD
instead
nationally.
The same is
true for local
communities:
The Internet
serves as a
Trojan horse
to shift local
business
outside the
city. Tires
being bought
at a <a href="http://tires.com/" target="_blank">tires.com</a> Affiliate site
displayed at
tires.denver
shift revenue
OUTSIDE
Denver.
Apartments
leased via an
Affiliate site
at
apartments.denver
destroy local
real estate
businesses.
This list goes
on and on and
on. The huge
advantage of a
locally
MANAGED city
gTLD is to
ADVANCE LOCAL
BUSINESS!
Hence
“.denver”! If
you wanted to
buy tires
SOMEWHERE –
then do it.
But the very
idea of a
.city gTLD is
that it
promotes LOCAL
BUSINESSES!
And that
doesn’t happen
by “accident”
– it has to be
promoted and
MANAGED. And
the ones who
do that best
are the local
business
constituencies
– business
associations,
chambers,
etc.!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Imagine
somebody
bought a wood
(large
property full
of trees) for
cheap money –
and would
harvest ALL
trees, and
sell them at
once: Yes,
they would
make a profit.
Is it good for
the land? Nope
– the land
will erode.
Hence laws and
rules regulate
wood
harvesting.
It’s the same
with city
gTLDs. Selling
all the
premium
domains in
SEDO auctions
to “investors”
makes money –
and drives
registration
volume: but it
deprives the
namespace of
creating
“beacon”
domains that
serve as brand
ambassadors
for the city
gTLD.<br>
<br>
Took me a few
years to
develop all
these
thoughts. I am
thinking about
community name
spaces since
2004. I love
earning money
– but I love
even more when
I serve people
while doing
so. Not all
life is about
making cash
fast.<br>
<br>
So when a city
Government is
being
presented with
a city
constituencies
funded, owned,
managed and
marketed
“non-profit”
effort to
advance the
city – and on
the other hand
with an
operator that
merely “makes
the namespace
available”:
let the cities
representatives decide. I agree with you: ICANN should NOT “tell
applicants
where to base
their
business” or
how to operate
it. It’s fine
when there are
offshore based
portfolio
applicants
with large
amounts of VC
money running
around and
trying to
convince
cities to
operate a
valuable and
important city
infrastructure. But allow the city to decide whom they pick – don’t let
VC money
“brute force”
ownership of
city
namespaces.<br>
<br>
Btw: Sadly the
“managing”
part wasn’t
well developed
in the first
batch of city
gTLDs. I think
this will
dramatically
change in the
next round. </span></p>
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Liz Williams [<a href="mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au" target="_blank">mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Dienstag, 22.
Mai 2018 06:39<br>
<b>To:</b>
Alexander
Schubert <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">
<alexander@schubert.berlin></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
Qualifying the
threshold for
requirement of
letters of
non-objection!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello
Alexander </p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I
wanted to
explore a
little further
your assertion
that an
applicant for
a geo-TLD
should be
locally
based. Our
freedom of
expression/civil
liberties
colleagues
will have a
better handle
on those
imperatives
but I wonder
why one would
expect an
applicant to
be located in
the community
when, for
example, a
geographic
domain name
label may be a
means of
expressing
dissent or
difference
from the
current
government?
It is not a
pre-requisite
for ICANN to
be telling
applicants who
meet the
evaluation
criteria that
they should be
“local”. We
also know that
the Internet
enables us to
be wherever we
want to be to
do
business…that
is one of the
most amazing
characteristics
of the
Internet.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It
is also not
desirable for
ICANN to tell
applicants
where they
should locate
their
businesses.
Organisations
legitimately
and perfectly
legally choose
the registered
location for
their
business based
on, for
example, tax
treatment,
ease of doing
business, rule
of law,
incentives for
entrepreneurs,
bandwidth and
timezone.
Those are all
good things we
wouldn’t want
to interfere
with.</p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I
doubt that it
is supportable
to have a
prohibition on
entities
applying for
several
geographic
labels. What
if it were a
good thing
that an expert
registry
operator was
able to
provide
services to
communities in
unique and
attractive
ways? I would
have thought
that is a nice
niche business
that could
benefit
communities in
good ways? </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And
finally, I
don’t
understand the
problem with
domain
investors.
Those domain
name owners
are legitimate
purchasers of
domain names
at the second
level. Many
registry
operators are
propped up by
those
investors and
the secondary
domain name
market is
active and
mature which
is another
indicator of
competition
and consumer
choice. I
think we can
all agree that
mis-using a
domain name,
whoever owns
it, isn’t a
desirable
market outcome
but there are
measures in
place to deal
with that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looking
forward to the
views of
others.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Liz
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
20 May 2018,
at 9:40 pm,
Alexander
Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Christopher,<br>
<br>
I completely
understand
(and support)
your notion,
that an
applicant for
a geo-gTLD
should be
locally
rooted;
ideally
geo-community
funded,
managed and
marketed. And
I am
completely in
agreement with
you that we
should create
policy that
prevents that
a few big
players are
blanketing the
geo-gTLD space
with hundreds
of
applications
each a copy
& paste
job of the
other, with
absolutely
zero knowledge
of the
specific city
community and
no intent to
further THEIR
specific
agenda –
instead trying
to make money
FAST.<br>
<br>
And obviously
letters of
non-objection
will help a
lot – because
by 2020 the
mayors of a
major cities
WILL know a
bit about the
pitfalls of
the management
for city gTLDs
(consultants
will bring
them up to
speed and help
them to
navigate the
jungle of
examining the
applicants
funding,
marketing,
community-engagement
and rooting,
management,
etc).<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:72pt;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:83.4pt"> <span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You suggest a
measure to
reduce mass
land-grab:
“Prohibition
to apply for
several
geo-gTLDs for
the same
entity”. I was
a “domainer”
(shame on me)
since 1997,
and then
started to
create
community
based gTLDs in
2004 (.berlin
was a
community
owned, funded,
managed and
designated
gTLD
application,
as was the
.gay applicant
I founded). I
personally
know quite a
bunch of
“domainers
turned
portfolio
applicants”.
And I know
their
abilities,
their
endurance.
They will
simply have a
legal entity
in each city –
intelligently
managed
through
notaries
acting on
their behalf.
I am happy to
help looking
into policy
that is
designed to
stop geo-name
land grab; but
the measure
proposed by
you is
probably
easily to be
gamed.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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