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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Risking to repeat myself:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The base for our discussions is the 2012 AGB; NOT a “blank page”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The 2012 AGB distinguished between CATEGOGIES!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The categories “UN Regions and 3166 Alpha-2 subnational regions” seem relatively undisputed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So does the treatment of capital cities: All of these do not provide for a “non-geo use” provision!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The ONLY other “category” was “cities”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And for these there is a non-geo use provision<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Seemingly we now have two relatively simplistic tasks:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Asking ourselves what the “objective criteria” might be that would equate a SIZEABLE city with the above categories! Undoubtedly a Million people city community needs AT MINIMUM to be looped in when some “brand” wants to hijack the name on DNS top level. Anybody who tries to tell me that the “trade mark rights” of a “brand” are outweighing those of 1 Million people earns my complete rejection. Sorry. The question is what the criteria would be to lift a city into the same category as capital cities or 3166 subnational regions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>OUTSIDE of regulating the city category we MIGHT discuss other potential geo categories. But let’s not conflate both categories. Let’s focus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alexander.berlin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather Forrest<br><b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 8. Juni 2018 09:16<br><b>To:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Follow up on comment in chat during WT5 meeting of 6 June<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear WT5 colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I write to follow up on my comment in the AC chat near the end of our meeting on 6 June 2018 (Heather Forrest: In my view all of the proposals above based on quantitative thresholds suffer from randomness. I do not support the use of the letter of support/non-objection for other reasons already noted on the list, but these proposals create more problems. AND Heather Forrest:+1 Liz - and indeed I should have said 'arbitrariness' rather than 'randomness' (apologies- it's early morning here in APAC!)). I'm sorry that I had to drop the call soon after to attend another meeting, so was unable to provide context or answer questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the policy development process that led to the 2012 AGB the protection of famous and well-known trademarks, a legal right explicitly recognised by the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property (to which 177 countries are a member), was ultimately not adopted by the GNSO or implemented in the AGB. There is a very long history here that goes back to the Implementation Review Team (several highly experienced members of this PDP were members of that RT), but for our purposes I’ll just highlight that protection of famous trademarks through a ‘Globally Protected Marks List’ (often referred to then as ‘GPML’) was rejected due to equivalent concerns as those raised by myself and others in our call about the use of quantitative, geographic eligibility criteria for protection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Those involved in the PDP at that time found it challenging to determine the criteria for identifying a mark as famous, and thus eligible to be included on the GPML. The inherently arbitrary nature of quantitative, geographical criteria (e.g., the mark being protected by registration in a specified number of jurisdictions in each of the five ICANN regions) was vigorously debated at ICANN35 in June 2009. At United States Congressional oversight hearings on new gTLDs in May 2011, ICANN’s then Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations cited concerns expressed by WIPO as to the mechanics of such a list and opposition from the GAC as chief obstacles to its implementation in new gTLD policy.<sup> </sup>He concluded: ‘The time, commitment and resources (from ICANN and the community) needed to create and maintain such a list would provide only marginal benefits as such a list would apply to only a small number of names and only for identical matches of those names.’<span class=gmail-msofootnotereference><sup> </sup></span> (<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pritz-to-goodlatte-07jun11-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pritz-to-goodlatte-07jun11-en.pdf</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Should WT5 conclude that it is now appropriate to use quantitative geographic criteria in relation to requirements on city names (as I have expressed before in meetings and submissions, I do not personally support this conclusion), we must be prepared to explain in detail in the Final Report how these criteria overcome challenge on the ground of arbitrariness, and are not inconsistent with this earlier GNSO policy decision. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Heather Forrest<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Terri Agnew</b> <<a href="mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org">terri.agnew@icann.org</a>><br>Date: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:25 PM<br>Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Recordings, attendance & Adobe Connect chat from GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Work Track 5 (Geographic Names at the top-level) call / Wednesday, 06 June 2018<br>To: "<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_6261210798977715522__MailOriginalBody"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Dear all,</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Please find the attendance<span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> </span>and </span>Adobe Connect <span style='color:black'>chat<span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> </span>of the call attached. The MP3</span> and Adobe Connect recording is <span style='color:black'>below for the GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Work Track 5 (Geographic Names at the top-level)<span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> call </span>held<span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> </span>on<span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday,<span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> </span></span>06 June<span style='color:black'> 2018 at </span>20<span style='color:black'>:00 UTC.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Agenda wiki page: <span class=m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space> </span> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/MScFBQ" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/MScFBQ</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>As a reminder only members can join the call, observers can listen to the recordings and read the transcript afterwards. Please email </span><a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a><span style='color:black'> if you would like to change your status from observer to member. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='color:black'>Mp3: </span></b><span style='color:black'> </span><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-track5-06jun18-en.mp3" target="_blank">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-track5-06jun18-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>Adobe Connect recording: </b><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p8b696447i2/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d01eb915b907ba60b592ccc21320b2067715609560b344fb59191929d07b3045" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>https://participate.icann.org/p8b696447i2/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='line-height:15.6pt'><span style='color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: </span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Mailing list archives: </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3B73AF;background:white'>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Main wiki page: </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/YASbAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/YASbAw</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#888888'>Terri <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#888888'> </span><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>