<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear All,<br><br></div>I concur with Marita statement +1<br><br></div>Kind Regards<br><br></div>Poncelet<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 June 2018 at 18:36, Marita Moll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I think this is a practical way forward. Let's start talking about a
manageable "size of city" category that would not require an army of
people to maintain, for starters. I imagine population is the
easiest way to go. But maybe there are better ideas.<br>
<br>
Marita Moll<br>
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<div class="m_3433628060108049035moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2018 12:44 PM, Alexander
Schubert wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_3433628060108049035__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear
colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Risking
to repeat myself:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
base for our discussions is the 2012 AGB; NOT a “blank page”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
2012 AGB distinguished between CATEGOGIES!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
categories “UN Regions and 3166 Alpha-2 subnational regions”
seem relatively undisputed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So
does the treatment of capital cities: All of these do not
provide for a “non-geo use” provision!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
ONLY other “category” was “cities”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And
for these there is a non-geo use provision<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Seemingly
we now have two relatively simplistic tasks:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Asking
ourselves what the “objective criteria” might be that would
equate a SIZEABLE city with the above categories!
Undoubtedly a Million people city community needs AT MINIMUM
to be looped in when some “brand” wants to hijack the name
on DNS top level. Anybody who tries to tell me that the
“trade mark rights” of a “brand” are outweighing those of 1
Million people earns my complete rejection. Sorry. The
question is what the criteria would be to lift a city into
the same category as capital cities or 3166 subnational
regions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_3433628060108049035MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">OUTSIDE
of regulating the city category we MIGHT discuss other
potential geo categories. But let’s not conflate both
categories. Let’s focus.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Alexander.berlin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a class="m_3433628060108049035moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Heather Forrest<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 8. Juni 2018 09:16<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="m_3433628060108049035moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Follow up on comment
in chat during WT5 meeting of 6 June<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
WT5 colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
write to follow up on my comment in the AC chat near the
end of our meeting on 6 June 2018 (Heather Forrest: In my
view all of the proposals above based on quantitative
thresholds suffer from randomness. I do not support the
use of the letter of support/non-objection for other
reasons already noted on the list, but these proposals
create more problems. AND Heather Forrest:+1 Liz - and
indeed I should have said 'arbitrariness' rather than
'randomness' (apologies- it's early morning here in
APAC!)). I'm sorry that I had to drop the call soon after
to attend another meeting, so was unable to provide
context or answer questions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In
the policy development process that led to the 2012 AGB
the protection of famous and well-known trademarks, a
legal right explicitly recognised by the Paris Convention
for the Protection of Industrial Property (to which 177
countries are a member), was ultimately not adopted by the
GNSO or implemented in the AGB. There is a very long
history here that goes back to the Implementation Review
Team (several highly experienced members of this PDP were
members of that RT), but for our purposes I’ll just
highlight that protection of famous trademarks through a
‘Globally Protected Marks List’ (often referred to then as
‘GPML’) was rejected due to equivalent concerns as those
raised by myself and others in our call about the use of
quantitative, geographic eligibility criteria for
protection.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Those
involved in the PDP at that time found it challenging to
determine the criteria for identifying a mark as famous,
and thus eligible to be included on the GPML. The
inherently arbitrary nature of quantitative, geographical
criteria (e.g., the mark being protected by registration
in a specified number of jurisdictions in each of the five
ICANN regions) was vigorously debated at ICANN35 in June
2009. At United States Congressional oversight hearings on
new gTLDs in May 2011, ICANN’s then Senior Vice President
for Stakeholder Relations cited concerns expressed by WIPO
as to the mechanics of such a list and opposition from the
GAC as chief obstacles to its implementation in new gTLD
policy.<sup> </sup>He concluded: ‘The time, commitment
and resources (from ICANN and the community) needed to
create and maintain such a list would provide only
marginal benefits as such a list would apply to only a
small number of names and only for identical matches of
those names.’<span class="m_3433628060108049035gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>
</sup></span> (<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pritz-to-goodlatte-07jun11-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/<wbr>system/files/files/pritz-to-<wbr>goodlatte-07jun11-en.pdf</a>)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should
WT5 conclude that it is now appropriate to use
quantitative geographic criteria in relation to
requirements on city names (as I have expressed before in
meetings and submissions, I do not personally support this
conclusion), we must be prepared to explain in detail in
the Final Report how these criteria overcome challenge on
the ground of arbitrariness, and are not inconsistent with
this earlier GNSO policy decision. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Best
wishes,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Heather
Forrest<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Date: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:25 PM<br>
Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Recordings, attendance
& Adobe Connect chat from GNSO New gTLD Subsequent
Procedures PDP WG Work Track 5 (Geographic Names at the
top-level) call / Wednesday, 06 June 2018<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr>"
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Please find the attendance<span class="m_3433628060108049035m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span>and
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call attached. The MP3</span> and Adobe Connect
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the GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Work
Track 5 (Geographic Names at the top-level)<span class="m_3433628060108049035m6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> call
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