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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="line-height:107%">Dear
WT5 colleagues,<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="line-height:107%">I
write to follow up on my comment in the AC chat near the end of our meeting on
6 June 2018 (Heather Forrest: In my view all of the proposals above based on
quantitative thresholds suffer from randomness. I do not support the use of the
letter of support/non-objection for other reasons already noted on the list,
but these proposals create more problems. AND Heather Forrest:+1 Liz - and
indeed I should have said 'arbitrariness' rather than 'randomness' (apologies-
it's early morning here in APAC!)). I'm sorry that I had to drop the call soon after to attend another meeting, so was unable to provide context or answer questions.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="line-height:107%">In
the policy development process that led to the 2012 AGB the protection of
famous and well-known trademarks, a legal right explicitly recognised by the
Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property (to which 177
countries are a member), was ultimately not adopted by the GNSO or implemented
in the AGB. There is a very long history here that goes back to the Implementation
Review Team (several highly experienced members of this PDP were members of
that RT), but for our purposes I’ll just highlight that protection of famous
trademarks through a ‘Globally Protected Marks List’ (often referred to then as
‘GPML’) was rejected due to equivalent concerns as those raised by myself and
others in our call about the use of quantitative, geographic eligibility
criteria for protection.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="line-height:107%">Those
involved in the PDP at that time found it challenging to determine the criteria
for identifying a mark as famous, and thus eligible to be included on the GPML.
The inherently arbitrary nature of quantitative, geographical criteria (e.g.,
the mark being protected by registration in a specified number of jurisdictions
in each of the five ICANN regions) was vigorously debated at ICANN35 in June
2009. At United States Congressional oversight hearings on new gTLDs in May
2011, ICANN’s then Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations </span>cited
concerns expressed by WIPO as to the mechanics of such a list and opposition
from the GAC as chief obstacles to its implementation in new gTLD policy.He
concluded: ‘The time, commitment and resources (from ICANN and the community)
needed to create and maintain such a list would provide only marginal benefits
as such a list would apply to only a small number of names and only for
identical matches of those names.’<span class="gmail-MsoFootnoteReference" style="vertical-align:super"> </span><span> </span>(<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pritz-to-goodlatte-07jun11-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pritz-to-goodlatte-07jun11-en.pdf</a>)<span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Should WT5 conclude that it is now appropriate to use
quantitative geographic criteria in relation to requirements on city names (as
I have expressed before in meetings and submissions, I do not personally
support this conclusion), we must be prepared to explain in detail in the Final
Report how these criteria overcome challenge on the ground of arbitrariness, and are not
inconsistent with this earlier GNSO policy decision. <span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> Best wishes,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Heather Forrest</p><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Terri Agnew</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org">terri.agnew@icann.org</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:25 PM<br>Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Recordings, attendance & Adobe Connect chat from GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Work Track 5 (Geographic Names at the top-level) call / Wednesday, 06 June 2018<br>To: "<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br><br><br><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class="m_6261210798977715522WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6261210798977715522__MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear all,</span><u></u><u></u></a></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">Please find the attendance<span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span>and </span>Adobe Connect <span style="color:black">chat<span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span>of the call attached. The MP3</span> and Adobe Connect recording is <span style="color:black">below for the GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Work Track 5 (Geographic Names at the top-level)<span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> call </span>held<span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span>on<span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday,<span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span></span>06 June<span style="color:black"> 2018 at </span>20<span style="color:black">:00 UTC.</span><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">Agenda wiki page: <span class="m_6261210798977715522apple-converted-space"> </span> </span></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/MScFBQ" target="_blank"><span>https://community.icann.org/x/<wbr>MScFBQ</span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">As a reminder only members can join the call, observers can listen to the recordings and read the transcript afterwards. Please email </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-secs@icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="color:black"> if you would like to change your status from observer to member. </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><b> </b><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><b><span style="color:black">Mp3: </span></b><span style="color:black"> </span></span><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-track5-06jun18-en.mp3" target="_blank"><span>https://audio.icann.org/gnso/<wbr>gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-<wbr>track5-06jun18-en.mp3</span><span></span></a><span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><b>Adobe Connect recording: </b></span><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p8b696447i2/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d01eb915b907ba60b592ccc21320b2067715609560b344fb59191929d07b3045" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">https://participate.icann.org/<wbr>p8b696447i2/</span></span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="line-height:15.6pt"><span><span style="color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: </span></span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar" target="_blank"><span>http://gnso.icann.org/<wbr>en/group-activities/calendar</span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">Mailing list archives: </span></span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:#3b73af;background:white">http://mm.icann.org/<wbr>pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/</span></span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">Main wiki page:  </span></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/YASbAw" target="_blank"><span>https://community.<wbr>icann.org/x/YASbAw</span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">Thank you.</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:black">Kind regards,</span><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span>Terri <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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