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<div class="">Even though we’re trying to work out cities…we need rules that apply to all urban sites with tiny wee populations up to anything which isn’t a "capital city".</div>
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<div class="">Let’s not worry about arguing about what a city is…we just need to be able to put in place rules for applicants and evaluators that make clear that when someone applies for a potential geographic identifier which may also have other meanings,
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Yrjö Länsipuro <span dir="ltr" class="">
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<div class="">A city is distinguished from other human settlements by its relatively great size, but also by its functions and its
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suggested with the goal of improving the current system…</span></p>
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<b class="">Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 16:24<br class="">
<b class="">An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><wbr class="">><br class="">
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk388712" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">Well, cities are there. Cities have names. The public authorities and the populations of such cities care about their
names, and the former have responsibilities, interests and, in some jurisdictions at least, rights on those identifiers.
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">But what is considered as a city is different from country to country.
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">So deferring to local laws and policies on what is considered in each case as a city is respectful of the sensitivities
and increases predictability and certainty for all. </span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">I feel that some deference to subsidiarity is quite a healthy exercise – in the end the fact that an entity is considered
a city in a given country reflects that such identity as a city is relevant in that country.</span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">e.g. in Switzerland we have specific criteria on what we consider a „city“ – we would rather not want to get that
definition imposed on us…</span></p>
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<b class="">An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="DE" class=""><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk347178" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span></p>
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be virtually meaningless as a general term? It just shows that there is no consistent basis for this demand for city "protections", if there's any basis at all.</span></p>
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">With city I refer to what is defined as a city – the “city name” refers to the actual names of the entities considered
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<b class="">An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk366603" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br class="">
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that using the term as a single classification is meaningless? This shows that deciding that "cities" have "rights" is certainly not based on any standard. This could become an exercise in developing meaninglessness out of meanings. That is no way to build
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solutions according to national laws and policies – setting an artificial one size fits all definition of “city” in ICANN is rather risky, difficult, and not respectful of different approaches at the local level. Perhaps this is a very Swiss thought, but one
that works when different cultures, traditions and policies are at stake…</span></p>
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national policies and laws you will normally find a definition of “city” in the abstract (e.g. in Switzerland this is linked to size and other statistical elements) and “city name” is the geoname as such, i.e. the question whether a string xyz matches a name
of an entity defined as a “city” according to the relevant national law or policy.
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<p class="">Hi Jorge. I just have a thought on #4.</p>
<p class="">It would be nice if deferring to local laws was agreed upon, but would that be considered "fair" if one locality defined city as something that could be rather small but with a unique feature and another locality defined city as something that had
to be very large, i.e. certain number of people or certain area? I tossed some of the wikipedia site you sent around the other day in Italian re: definition of cities (my Italian is also non-existant) and here is part of what it says.</p>
<p class=""><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#212121" class="">"Of the title of city, in Italy, you can boast those municipalities that have been awarded with the decree of the King (until 1946) or the provisional head of the state (until 1948)
or the president of the Republic, by virtue of their historical importance , artistic, civic or demographic. Many other cities are given the title by virtue of legislative acts of pre-unification states, or they do so for ancient and uninterrupted custom ....."
(<a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titolo_di_citt%C3%A0_in_Italia" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk314137" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">https://it.wikipedia.org/<wbr class="">wiki/Titolo_di_citt%C3%A0_in_<wbr class="">Italia</a>)</span></p>
<p class=""><span style="color:#212121" class="">I don't think that sort of think applies anywhere in North America. In Canada, it is the provinces that define cities, not the federal state, and I am sure artistic elements aren't part of it.</span></p>
<p class=""><span style="color:#212121" class="">#4 in the list below, which I am addressing, refers to defining a "city name". Is that considered to be an operation different from defining a "city." Can anyone elaborate?
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">(1) setting a deadline for reacting to a letter of non-objection request;
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">(2) establishing that application may go forward if there is no reaction by the relevant pubic authority within that
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">(3) helping the applicant in determining whether the intended string is a city name or not; this could be done by
an advisory body bound to confidentiality;</span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">(4) creating greater predictability by deferring to local laws and policies defining what a “city name” is in each
jurisdiction… something that in the age of big data should be rather simple… </span>
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">(5) helping the applicant in identifying the relevant public authorities, and in establishing contact with them;</span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">(6) establishing mediation or other dispute-resolution procedures when the applicant disagrees with the position
taken by the relevant authority…</span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US" class="">Etc.</span></p>
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and to raise predictability and certainty for all parties, without breaking this model that in general (with some limited exceptions) worked well according to the reported data and facts.</span></p>
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<b class="">Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 11:32<br class="">
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treatment of (non-capital) cities</b>? Right now an applicant (for a non-capital city) requires Government support only if there is geo-use intent!
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">do we protect important (e.g. sizeable) cities a bit more,
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based on the type of mechanism used. There are mechanisms that come before the application is filed (e.g., the letter of consent/non-objection), mechanisms that come after the application is filed but during the application process (e.g., objections, and
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:42 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk973043" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><br class="">
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Based on the summary of the Cross Community Topic that is taking place right now in Panama City ICANN62, and the discussions in the Working Group to this point, I do not agree with the
assessment in Alexander's email that the WT5 current position is: " </span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">So if the 2012 AGB is the base; the current WT5 suggestion is being floated:</span></b></p>
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like it is! It worked and it is fine!</span></b></p>
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“city”: elevate cities that meet a certain requirement into the same status as subnational regions or capital cities! (Meaning: no non-geo-use clause)</span></b></p>
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a city with 500,000 people should be AS MINIUM as important as the average capital or a subnational region! Why should it be LESS protected, makes no sense!"</span></b></p>
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<p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Thanks for this summary Alexander. I agree with most of this.</span></p>
<p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Not totally happy with "</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">To reduce this new burden there should be a “cutoff” implemented: only if the city meets a certain requirement (e.g. in population size) the “non-geo use” would be
replaced. In other words: if a tiny city of no special relevance has a name identical to a generic term – applicants for such generic term do NOT have to approach the city government IF there is no intent for geo use! (The Government of such smaller city will
STILL have to be approached if the gTLD is intended to serve the city)." </span>
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<p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">But, as you say, there has to be compromise. I wish there was a way to protect special places which have had a glorious past but are now reduced to out of the way tourist sites (ancient Etruscan city Volterra) -- but
this may be addressed through UNESCO regions -- not sure about that.</span></p>
<p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">If we can protect cities of 500,000 and over, that will be around 1000 strings and a huge number of people. I am sure brands can adjust.</span></p>
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thanks for your contribution! You are stating that you haven’t been actively involved in the past but observed. Have you read all emails and been in all calls? I am asking because you also state:</span></p>
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of business names around</span></i></b></p>
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<b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f4e79" lang="EN-US" class=""> the world that are trademarked, that already contain geographic names, cities and territories….”</span></i></b></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Well: For MONTH on end we did practically nothing else than discussing precisely that topic. In endless email exchanges (probably
a thousand) and phone conferences. This topic has been THE priority so far. Let me summarize from my view:</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">In the 2012 AGB very few geo names have been protected, namely:</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Unesco regions (irrelevant as all are assigned as gTLD but “.europe”)</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">ISO 3166 Alpha-2 national sub regions (which is why .tata wasn’t granted to the Indian TATA and why .bar needed an OK from the region BAR in ME -
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr class="">ISO_3166-2:ME</a>)</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">All of the above require a letter if non-objection by the responsible Government authority – independent whether or not the applicant claims geo-use intent or not!
And so far nobody has really much challenged these rules.</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">The ONLY remaining 2012 AGB geo-name category was “city names” – with “city” not really very precisely defined. In the 2012 AGB applicants for strings identical to
a city name needed Government approval (letter if non-objection). The only exception was a declaration of “non-geo name use”. That could be a brand, a generic term, or some “.xyz”-like fun theme: “.heyyou” - which might be an industrial center in China (I
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">There are potentially hundreds of thousands qualifying “city names” – and there is (as you mentioned) a sizeable overlap with so called “brands and generic terms!
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">In the same time the citizens of sizeable and or important cities should have their free speech rights preserved: that is being able to express themselves through a
domain name based on their city name – just like in the future most if not all big metropolises will offer that possibility!
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">So if somebody would apply for “.telaviv” (officially Jerusalem is the capital of Israel) – but claim “non-geo use” (which might be a ruse) – then according to the
2012 AGB they would be assigned the TLD if there was no competition – OR they could drive up the public auction price in a bidding war against a potential city based non-profit that represents the city’s constituents but has no VC cash! Or worse: a financially
strong BRAND could simply outbid the city based application and hijack the TLD! I am quite sure that the good people of Tel Aviv would be very unhappy – and I wonder how you would defend the horrible 2012 AGB rules to them?
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Plus: It doesn’t really matters what the registry “intents” – the registry is not offering domain names to the public, nor is it the registrant. It is the registrars
who will offer it is a city gTLD – and it is registrants who will use it for that purpose – and there won’t be any obligation by ICANN to prevent such use!</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Some here claim that “brands” have “rights” – while citizens of cities have none. Others claim that this constitutes a travesty – as most city name based brands are
BASED on the connotation with the city – and ICANN’s mission is to foster PUBLIC BENEFIT (as in helping citizens executing their right of free expression) and NOT helping “brands” to squat on city resources! What is more important: the “right” of a small brand
– or the rights of hundreds of thousands of citizens in a city?</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">The entire thing is a question of “culture” – and like in any OTHER culture war both sides are very divided and each is steadfast convinced to have possession of endless
wisdom (me included).</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">As this is not an “election” where a “majority” decides what the future culture shall be (essentially picking a “winner” – and creating a big pool of “losers”) – we
will need to find an agreeable compromise!</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">The compromise needs to:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Protect as many citizens in as many cities as possible from losing their right of free expression by using city name based domains!</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">But to not overprotect that category – because it would put too many burdens on brands and generic term based applicants!</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">I am lobbying for a certain workable solution – and it seems there has been broad support for it:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">In order to prevent citizens from losing their free speech and free expression rights permanently we do strike the “non-geo use” clause without replacement! (Don’t
get a cardiac arrest – read on).</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">So if somebody applies for “.telaviv” and claims it would be a new social network like TWITTER or a “.xyz” clone – they would need to get the city’s approval first
– to PROTECT the citizens free speech and free expression rights which are very important!</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">To reduce this new burden there should be a “cutoff” implemented: only if the city meets a certain requirement (e.g. in population size) the “non-geo use” would be
replaced. In other words: if a tiny city of no special relevance has a name identical to a generic term – applicants for such generic term do NOT have to approach the city government IF there is no intent for geo use! (The Government of such smaller city will
STILL have to be approached if the gTLD is intended to serve the city).</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New ,serif",serif" lang="EN-US" class="">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Such cutoff could be a population size – the exact measures would have to be determined! Numbers between 100,000 and 500,000 have been floated, and/or percentages of
country size! Once we agree on the cutoff rule; the exact measures could be defined later! First qualifying, then quantifying!</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">The outcome would be that brands and generic term based applications have close to zero extra burden to carry; while in the same time the free speech rights and rights
of expression for hundreds of Millions of people would be preserved in accordance with ICANN’s mission! In the very rare cases of a brand having deliberately chosen a “big city” name (because they want to profit from the image the citizens of that city have
worked hard to create over time) – then sorry: but nobody forced you to piggyback on the city’s fame: your own decision; all legal; but you will still need to meet certain obligations. You are just a “co-brand”; the “real brand” is the city brand; and you
are living “off” it. Then go and get their permission! But honestly: if we require only cities with more than e.g. 500k people to be specially extra protected (no “non-geo use clause”) – what is the number of brands impacted? Could somebody run a brand name
database against a big city database? And not every single US $200 TM registration is a “brand”!
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</span><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">Keep everything like it is! It worked and it is fine!</span></b></p>
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</span><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">In the category “city”: elevate cities that meet a certain requirement into the same status as subnational regions or capital cities! (Meaning: no non-geo-use
clause)</span></b></p>
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</span><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">And indeed: a city with 500,000 people should be AS MINIUM as important as the average capital or a subnational region! Why should it be LESS protected,
makes no sense!</span></b></p>
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">The disciples of both faiths are requested to reach over the isle and compromise. It doesn’t work in politics in many countries
(I am not singling any particular country out) – it doesn’t work in Religions most of the times. We at ICANN could proof that WE can do it. So let’s simply do it. Both sides have ENDLESSLY often explained their views (and I am guilty of having done so one
too often: apologies! I am passionate when it comes to rights of people and public benefit!).
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Now it is time to form the compromise.</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US" class="">A simple to implement suggestion has been made. Is it workable?<br class="">
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Anyone in?<br class="">
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Btw: we are talking CITY names. Once we have a solution for that specific category we can look at geo name categories previously not protected. But that will be a SEPARATE category – and should not be conflated with the city name category!<br class="">
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Thanks,<br class="">
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Alexander</span></p>
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[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk661154" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-<wbr class="">bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Joe Alagna<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2018 9:12 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk140892" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">
gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a> Work Track 5 <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk257927" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">
<gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.<wbr class="">org></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP: Work Track 5 Comments</span></p>
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Hi All,</span></p>
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Although, because of time obligations, I have not commented, I have been
an observer of this track since the beginning and recently converted to member so I could make a comment.
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my apologies if some of my comments have already been discussed since I have been unable to join the telephonic discussions. I have perused the ongoing document you are developing within the limits of my time.
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<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">These questions and considerations are meant in the spirit of contributing
and stimulating discussion, not necessarily advocating a position. The work you are doing is important. Please note that these are my own observations and comments, not necessarily reflective of the company I work for:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Some members are advocating to reserve city and territory names as rights or even as owned by the cities or territories. I’ve always
understood city and territory names as tools to be used by the public for geographic purposes. In fact, unless I missed it (I may have), the discussions seem to have only mildly addressed the thousands of business names around the world that are trademarked,
that already contain geographic names, cities and territories. You can look at any database of trademarks from any jurisdiction around the world and likely find hundreds of existing trademarks that contain geographic strings. Strings like this are highly
important as parts of business names, identifying the locations of service areas for example. These include names like Swiss Air and American Telephone and Telegraph. I use that second example to show how long-standing this tradition is. This fact seems
unacknowledged so far in our discussions. I fear that we are ignoring a hundred years + of tradition and precedence. It may be an important exercise to see how many trademarks already exist in various places that contain geo-type strings.</span></p>
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The history of registries suggests that they may either be public or private, so it seems that the principal of neutrality is important when considering the type of entity applying for a string.</p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">There is a theme of debate about who gets preference regarding geographic indicators in new strings, government entities or private entities.
My experience, at least in the United States is that many government entities do not care about their geographic names (and for that matter, their email addresses). They seem to be perfectly happy using what I would consider seriously outdated URLs and email
addresses. <br class="">
<br class="">
These government entities already have the right to use a .gov (or a .edu) domain name and email address, a right that any private citizen or public company does not have. Yet they prefer not to use them.
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The example I have in mind is the several thousand public schools across the United States who prefer to continue using long URLS and email addresses in the .edu or .us space. A very typical teacher or administrative email address looks like this:<br class="">
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</span><span class="m_6051126003410770743x_m-7682183415153472168m5476897228379630576m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msohyperlink"><b class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563c1" lang="EN-US" class=""><a href="mailto:MyKidTeachersFirstName.LastName@LaUnifiedSchoolDistrict.k12.ca.us" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk475505" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1" class="">MyKidTeachersFirstName.<wbr class="">LastName@<wbr class="">LaUnifiedSchoolDistrict.k12.<wbr class="">ca.us</span></a></span></u></b></span><b class=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class=""><br class="">
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class=""><br class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">They don’t seem to want to change this. Wouldn’t it be better and more convenient for them to use something like:<br class="">
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</span><span class="m_6051126003410770743x_m-7682183415153472168m5476897228379630576m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msohyperlink"><b class=""><u class=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563c1" lang="EN-US" class=""><a href="mailto:MyKidsTeachersName@LAUnified.gov" id="m_6051126003410770743LPlnk914272" class="m_6051126003410770743OWAAutoLink" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1" class="">MyKidsTeachersName@LAUnified.<wbr class="">gov</span></a></span></u></b></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
(or .edu) anything less than a fourth level domain name? So…</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Should not ICANN remain completely unbiased as to who gets the ability to apply for specific strings related to names in the DNS?
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Since many government, city, and territorial entities are not engaged nor involved in this process,
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">b.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Since both private and public entities can be good or evil, and
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">c.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Since ICANN has a charter of a bottom up, community driven, process, not the creation of laws or rights
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Why should ICANN, in any way confer a preference to either type of entity? In fact, some in this discussion seem to be suggesting an assumed “ownership” of TLD strings, a right that I think can only be conferred on a hyper local level by the proper legal entities,
certainly not ICANN, therefore, </span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Shouldn’t we be careful not to try to confer preferences or “rights” at all? In fact, shouldn’t we not even try that? It seems that
we do not, and probably should not have that power.</span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_m-7682183415153472168m5476897228379630576m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph" style="line-height:115%">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">There has been discussion that any applicant should comply with local laws in areas, cities, or territories where a string name where
they would like to do work is relevant. <i class="">I would agree with that general principal</i> since it respects local laws, makes sense, and doesn’t try to rule the world.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">6.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Shouldn’t we
<u class="">not</u> assume that every government entity around the world cares about what we are doing here. In fact, I am sure that most don’t care – at least as much as we do. If they did care, they would be involved.
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We know that TLDs are important and we should care about and anticipate how geographic names affect cities and territories around the world. We should also care about how a country, city, or territory’s rights will affect any applicant in the future. But we
should not show a preference in our policy, therefore, four suggestions:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">A general preference for non-objection from geo-entities and curative solutions in policy over preventive solutions for potential geographic
strings; not assuming preferences that more often than not, don't exist </span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">b.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">A more conservative approach to our scope in terms of the places we define</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">c.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Recognizing that our contracts are time limited – We should recognize that our contracts are for a specified period, at the end of which,
a government entity may have the option of becoming engaged and maybe add something to the contract that specifies this rather than an assumption of renewal for applicants. This would allow for worthwhile private investment (maybe a five or ten-year period)
and allow review by any public entity after a period of time, to become involved if they then care to.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">d.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">There should be no limits on how many applications may be filed on behalf of a single entity (private, corporate, or government). If
we do this, here also, we limit the capital involved in the process and we limit the chances for success of applicants and of this program in general.</span></p>
<p class="m_6051126003410770743x_MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0b5394" lang="EN-US" class="">Finally, thank you to all of you, on all sides, for your discussion and
participation. I believe this discussion is an important one and I know the sacrifice you are making in terms of your time. I only wish I was able to contribute near as much time as all of you have. Thank you!</span></p>
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