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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Greg,<br><br>indeed as you point out: The “term” city isn’t super precise! Look at the boroughs Queens and Brooklyn; which are arguably almost as famous as the city they are in. With well over 2 Million inhabitants they have more people each than Latvia or Estonia! <br><br>However: The two main identifiers for people who live in large places are the country (hence the ccTLDs) and CITIES! Over 80% of Americans live in a “city”! So arguably for the overwhelming supermajority of people in the countries that use Internet most the “city” is a super important identifier! It’s an important public internet infrastructure city resource that deserves local management and oversight!<br><br>THAT is why we have created the “city” category! Obviously any defined category won’t encompass ALL entities that seek or deserve inclusion. It might help to define it as “city and city-equivalent places”; which is probably only making it more murky. But if you want to expand the definition: I AM ALL FOR IT!<br><br>We do have our AGB geo gTLD rules split into categories. And arguably there are currently TWO categories that are dealing with “cities”: Capital and non-capital cities. That’s a super large group, and these are SUPER important – as 80% of for example Americans live in one! If we want to further establish rules for other geo-entities: GREAT! But can we FOR ONCE stay with the topic matter and discuss NON-CAPITAL CITIES? Once we have dealt with that Elephant in the room we could add more categories.<br><br>And beat me to death – but here it surefire comes again:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There must be a measure (any measure, we have to define it) that identifies cities that are “important” enough so that these have the same “protection rank” as a capital city or a subnational region. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Why on EARTH wouldn’t we grant these important geo entities the same protections; being: elimination of the “non-geo use” clause? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The only task would be to define the measure that identifies “important cities” (the term is wrong, “sizeable”, “impacting”, smth like that). And it should be a rather simple measure that is transparent, easy to understand and easy to implement! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Maybe we could collect suggestions on how to easily identify cities that deserve the same protections as capital cities?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><br><b>Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP: Work Track 5 Comments<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>What is the value in the word "city"? Why does it matter whether a locale is called a "city" or some other thing -- especially if the definitions vary so broadly that using the term as a single classification is meaningless? This shows that deciding that "cities" have "rights" is certainly not based on any standard. This could become an exercise in developing meaninglessness out of meanings. That is no way to build a specification.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:52 PM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear Marita</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks very much for your feedback. I feel that subsidiarity means that you accept and are respectful of different solutions according to national laws and policies – setting an artificial one size fits all definition of “city” in ICANN is rather risky, difficult, and not respectful of different approaches at the local level. Perhaps this is a very Swiss thought, but one that works when different cultures, traditions and policies are at stake…</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Btw: I was not intending to make a distinction between city and city name, beyond the intrinsic difference that in national policies and laws you will normally find a definition of “city” in the abstract (e.g. in Switzerland this is linked to size and other statistical elements) and “city name” is the geoname as such, i.e. the question whether a string xyz matches a name of an entity defined as a “city” according to the relevant national law or policy. </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Best</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jorge </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Marita Mol</span><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>l<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 13:35<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP: Work Track 5 Comments<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=DE-CH>Hi Jorge. I just have a thought on #4.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=DE-CH>It would be nice if deferring to local laws was agreed upon, but would that be considered "fair" if one locality defined city as something that could be rather small but with a unique feature and another locality defined city as something that had to be very large, i.e. certain number of people or certain area? I tossed some of the wikipedia site you sent around the other day in Italian re: definition of cities (my Italian is also non-existant) and here is part of what it says.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=DE-CH style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#212121'>"Of the title of city, in Italy, you can boast those municipalities that have been awarded with the decree of the King (until 1946) or the provisional head of the state (until 1948) or the president of the Republic, by virtue of their historical importance , artistic, civic or demographic. Many other cities are given the title by virtue of legislative acts of pre-unification states, or they do so for ancient and uninterrupted custom ....." (<a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titolo_di_citt%C3%A0_in_Italia" target="_blank">https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titolo_di_citt%C3%A0_in_Italia</a>)</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#212121'>I don't think that sort of think applies anywhere in North America. In Canada, it is the provinces that define cities, not the federal state, and I am sure artistic elements aren't part of it.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=DE-CH style='color:#212121'>#4 in the list below, which I am addressing, refers to defining a "city name". Is that considered to be an operation different from defining a "city." Can anyone elaborate? </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#212121'>Marita </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH>On 6/26/2018 12:45 PM, <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dear Greg and all</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Maybe we may slowly creating some common ground… </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Yesterday in the cross-community discussion there were ideas (some I proposed myself) such as </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(1) setting a deadline for reacting to a letter of non-objection request; </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(2) establishing that application may go forward if there is no reaction by the relevant pubic authority within that set deadline; </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(3) helping the applicant in determining whether the intended string is a city name or not; this could be done by an advisory body bound to confidentiality;</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(4) creating greater predictability by deferring to local laws and policies defining what a “city name” is in each jurisdiction… something that in the age of big data should be rather simple… </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(5) helping the applicant in identifying the relevant public authorities, and in establishing contact with them;</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(6) establishing mediation or other dispute-resolution procedures when the applicant disagrees with the position taken by the relevant authority…</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Etc.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>These are all means to address some of the issues alleged on the functioning of the “non-objection”-letter framework, and to raise predictability and certainty for all parties, without breaking this model that in general (with some limited exceptions) worked well according to the reported data and facts.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hope this may be helpful</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Best</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jorge </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 26. Juni 2018 11:32<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP: Work Track 5 Comments</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH>On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><br>Maybe somebody “neutral” could summarize the suggested measures for the <b>treatment of (non-capital) cities</b>? Right now an applicant (for a non-capital city) requires Government support only if there is geo-use intent! </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Do we keep it that way, </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>do we protect important (e.g. sizeable) cities a bit more, </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>or do we skip the protections completely? </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Seems these are the 3 choices. In MY view!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue'>I would say there are more choices, or at least more variations, based on the type of mechanism used. There are mechanisms that come before the application is filed (e.g., the letter of consent/non-objection), mechanisms that come after the application is filed but during the application process (e.g., objections, and also letters of c/n-o if it's determined you must have one), and mechanisms that come after the TLD is delegated (Compliance issues, Dispute Resolution Procedures). </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue'>In some of these mechanisms, the "protectable right" is presumed (letter of consent/non-objection) and in others the "protectable right" must be proven (basically, all of the other mechanisms). How these variables could apply to protection of a category of geographic terms is critical. "Protection" could be acceptable with one set of variables and unacceptable with another set of variables. For example, the right to make an objection may be an acceptable protection where a letter of c/n-j is not. </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue'>If we frame this only as a choice between letters of consent/non-objection or no "protection" at all, the likelihood of reaching consensus drops drastically. We need to add methods of protection to the discussion of whether not protections should be granted in order to have the best chance of reaching consensus.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue'>Greg</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather Forrest<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP: Work Track 5 Comments<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear WT5 colleagues,<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Based on the summary of the Cross Community Topic that is taking place right now in Panama City ICANN62, and the discussions in the Working Group to this point, I do not agree with the assessment in Alexander's email that the WT5 current position is: " <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So if the 2012 AGB is the base; the current WT5 suggestion is being floated:</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464gmail-m5457115079430354207msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Keep everything like it is! It worked and it is fine!</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464gmail-m5457115079430354207msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the category “city”: elevate cities that meet a certain requirement into the same status as subnational regions or capital cities! (Meaning: no non-geo-use clause)</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464gmail-m5457115079430354207msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And indeed: a city with 500,000 people should be AS MINIUM as important as the average capital or a subnational region! Why should it be LESS protected, makes no sense!"</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This may be a proposal or suggestion, but to be very clear, it is not an agreed position of WT5 members, nor indeed of the broader community participating in today's Cross Community Topic workshop.<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kind regards,<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Heather Forrest<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p>Thanks for this summary Alexander. I agree with most of this.<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p>Not totally happy with "<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To reduce this new burden there should be a “cutoff” implemented: only if the city meets a certain requirement (e.g. in population size) the “non-geo use” would be replaced. In other words: if a tiny city of no special relevance has a name identical to a generic term – applicants for such generic term do NOT have to approach the city government IF there is no intent for geo use! (The Government of such smaller city will STILL have to be approached if the gTLD is intended to serve the city)." </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p>But, as you say, there has to be compromise. I wish there was a way to protect special places which have had a glorious past but are now reduced to out of the way tourist sites (ancient Etruscan city Volterra) -- but this may be addressed through UNESCO regions -- not sure about that.<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p>If we can protect cities of 500,000 and over, that will be around 1000 strings and a huge number of people. I am sure brands can adjust.<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:#888888'>Marita</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 6/25/2018 5:05 AM, Alexander Schubert wrote:<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Joe,<br><br>thanks for your contribution! You are stating that you haven’t been actively involved in the past but observed. Have you read all emails and been in all calls? I am asking because you also state:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79'>“……the discussions seem to have only mildly addressed the thousands of business names around</span></i></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79'> the world that are trademarked, that already contain geographic names, cities and territories….”</span></i></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Well: For MONTH on end we did practically nothing else than discussing precisely that topic. In endless email exchanges (probably a thousand) and phone conferences. This topic has been THE priority so far. Let me summarize from my view:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We work off the 2012 AGB as a base – and try to identify areas of improvement</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the 2012 AGB very few geo names have been protected, namely:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Unesco regions (irrelevant as all are assigned as gTLD but “.europe”)</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>ISO 3166 Alpha-2 national sub regions (which is why .tata wasn’t granted to the Indian TATA and why .bar needed an OK from the region BAR in ME - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:ME" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:ME</a>)</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Capital cities</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All of the above require a letter if non-objection by the responsible Government authority – independent whether or not the applicant claims geo-use intent or not! And so far nobody has really much challenged these rules.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The ONLY remaining 2012 AGB geo-name category was “city names” – with “city” not really very precisely defined. In the 2012 AGB applicants for strings identical to a city name needed Government approval (letter if non-objection). The only exception was a declaration of “non-geo name use”. That could be a brand, a generic term, or some “.xyz”-like fun theme: “.heyyou” - which might be an industrial center in China (I made that up).</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There are now two main concerns (those of brands vs. those who want to protect the free expression rights of city populations):</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There are potentially hundreds of thousands qualifying “city names” – and there is (as you mentioned) a sizeable overlap with so called “brands and generic terms! </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the same time the citizens of sizeable and or important cities should have their free speech rights preserved: that is being able to express themselves through a domain name based on their city name – just like in the future most if not all big metropolises will offer that possibility! </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So if somebody would apply for “.telaviv” (officially Jerusalem is the capital of Israel) – but claim “non-geo use” (which might be a ruse) – then according to the 2012 AGB they would be assigned the TLD if there was no competition – OR they could drive up the public auction price in a bidding war against a potential city based non-profit that represents the city’s constituents but has no VC cash! Or worse: a financially strong BRAND could simply outbid the city based application and hijack the TLD! I am quite sure that the good people of Tel Aviv would be very unhappy – and I wonder how you would defend the horrible 2012 AGB rules to them? </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Plus: It doesn’t really matters what the registry “intents” – the registry is not offering domain names to the public, nor is it the registrant. It is the registrars who will offer it is a city gTLD – and it is registrants who will use it for that purpose – and there won’t be any obligation by ICANN to prevent such use!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Some here claim that “brands” have “rights” – while citizens of cities have none. Others claim that this constitutes a travesty – as most city name based brands are BASED on the connotation with the city – and ICANN’s mission is to foster PUBLIC BENEFIT (as in helping citizens executing their right of free expression) and NOT helping “brands” to squat on city resources! What is more important: the “right” of a small brand – or the rights of hundreds of thousands of citizens in a city?</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The entire thing is a question of “culture” – and like in any OTHER culture war both sides are very divided and each is steadfast convinced to have possession of endless wisdom (me included).</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As this is not an “election” where a “majority” decides what the future culture shall be (essentially picking a “winner” – and creating a big pool of “losers”) – we will need to find an agreeable compromise!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The compromise needs to:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Protect as many citizens in as many cities as possible from losing their right of free expression by using city name based domains!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>But to not overprotect that category – because it would put too many burdens on brands and generic term based applicants!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am lobbying for a certain workable solution – and it seems there has been broad support for it:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In order to prevent citizens from losing their free speech and free expression rights permanently we do strike the “non-geo use” clause without replacement! (Don’t get a cardiac arrest – read on).</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So if somebody applies for “.telaviv” and claims it would be a new social network like TWITTER or a “.xyz” clone – they would need to get the city’s approval first – to PROTECT the citizens free speech and free expression rights which are very important!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To reduce this new burden there should be a “cutoff” implemented: only if the city meets a certain requirement (e.g. in population size) the “non-geo use” would be replaced. In other words: if a tiny city of no special relevance has a name identical to a generic term – applicants for such generic term do NOT have to approach the city government IF there is no intent for geo use! (The Government of such smaller city will STILL have to be approached if the gTLD is intended to serve the city).</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New \,serif"'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Such cutoff could be a population size – the exact measures would have to be determined! Numbers between 100,000 and 500,000 have been floated, and/or percentages of country size! Once we agree on the cutoff rule; the exact measures could be defined later! First qualifying, then quantifying!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The outcome would be that brands and generic term based applications have close to zero extra burden to carry; while in the same time the free speech rights and rights of expression for hundreds of Millions of people would be preserved in accordance with ICANN’s mission! In the very rare cases of a brand having deliberately chosen a “big city” name (because they want to profit from the image the citizens of that city have worked hard to create over time) – then sorry: but nobody forced you to piggyback on the city’s fame: your own decision; all legal; but you will still need to meet certain obligations. You are just a “co-brand”; the “real brand” is the city brand; and you are living “off” it. Then go and get their permission! But honestly: if we require only cities with more than e.g. 500k people to be specially extra protected (no “non-geo use clause”) – what is the number of brands impacted? Could somebody run a brand name database against a big city database? And not every single US $200 TM registration is a “brand”! </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So if the 2012 AGB is the base; the current WT5 suggestion is being floated:</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Keep everything like it is! It worked and it is fine!</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the category “city”: elevate cities that meet a certain requirement into the same status as subnational regions or capital cities! (Meaning: no non-geo-use clause)</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And indeed: a city with 500,000 people should be AS MINIUM as important as the average capital or a subnational region! Why should it be LESS protected, makes no sense!</span></b><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The disciples of both faiths are requested to reach over the isle and compromise. It doesn’t work in politics in many countries (I am not singling any particular country out) – it doesn’t work in Religions most of the times. We at ICANN could proof that WE can do it. So let’s simply do it. Both sides have ENDLESSLY often explained their views (and I am guilty of having done so one too often: apologies! I am passionate when it comes to rights of people and public benefit!). <br>Now it is time to form the compromise.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br clear=all></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A simple to implement suggestion has been made. Is it workable?<br><br>Anyone in?<br><br>Btw: we are talking CITY names. Once we have a solution for that specific category we can look at geo name categories previously not protected. But that will be a SEPARATE category – and should not be conflated with the city name category!<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Alagna<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2018 9:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a> Work Track 5 <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP: Work Track 5 Comments</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Hi All,</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Although, because of time obligations, I have not commented, I have been an observer of this track since the beginning and recently converted to member so I could make a comment. </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>I would like to pose several questions and considerations. Please accept my apologies if some of my comments have already been discussed since I have been unable to join the telephonic discussions. I have perused the ongoing document you are developing within the limits of my time. </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>These questions and considerations are meant in the spirit of contributing and stimulating discussion, not necessarily advocating a position. The work you are doing is important. Please note that these are my own observations and comments, not necessarily reflective of the company I work for:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Some members are advocating to reserve city and territory names as rights or even as owned by the cities or territories. I’ve always understood city and territory names as tools to be used by the public for geographic purposes. In fact, unless I missed it (I may have), the discussions seem to have only mildly addressed the thousands of business names around the world that are trademarked, that already contain geographic names, cities and territories. You can look at any database of trademarks from any jurisdiction around the world and likely find hundreds of existing trademarks that contain geographic strings. Strings like this are highly important as parts of business names, identifying the locations of service areas for example. These include names like Swiss Air and American Telephone and Telegraph. I use that second example to show how long-standing this tradition is. This fact seems unacknowledged so far in our discussions. I fear that we are ignoring a hundred years + of tradition and precedence. It may be an important exercise to see how many trademarks already exist in various places that contain geo-type strings.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-CH><br><br>The history of registries suggests that they may either be public or private, so it seems that the principal of neutrality is important when considering the type of entity applying for a string.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>There is a theme of debate about who gets preference regarding geographic indicators in new strings, government entities or private entities. My experience, at least in the United States is that many government entities do not care about their geographic names (and for that matter, their email addresses). They seem to be perfectly happy using what I would consider seriously outdated URLs and email addresses. <br><br>These government entities already have the right to use a .gov (or a .edu) domain name and email address, a right that any private citizen or public company does not have. Yet they prefer not to use them. <br><br>The example I have in mind is the several thousand public schools across the United States who prefer to continue using long URLS and email addresses in the .edu or .us space. A very typical teacher or administrative email address looks like this:<br><br></span><span class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msohyperlink><b><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563C1'><a href="mailto:MyKidTeachersFirstName.LastName@LaUnifiedSchoolDistrict.k12.ca.us" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>MyKidTeachersFirstName.LastName@LaUnifiedSchoolDistrict.k12.ca.us</span></a></span></u></b></span><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><br></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>They don’t seem to want to change this. Wouldn’t it be better and more convenient for them to use something like:<br><br></span><span class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msohyperlink><b><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563C1'><a href="mailto:MyKidsTeachersName@LAUnified.gov" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>MyKidsTeachersName@LAUnified.gov</span></a></span></u></b></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> (or .edu) anything less than a fourth level domain name? So…</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Should not ICANN remain completely unbiased as to who gets the ability to apply for specific strings related to names in the DNS? </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Since many government, city, and territorial entities are not engaged nor involved in this process, </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Since both private and public entities can be good or evil, and </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Since ICANN has a charter of a bottom up, community driven, process, not the creation of laws or rights <br><br>Why should ICANN, in any way confer a preference to either type of entity? In fact, some in this discussion seem to be suggesting an assumed “ownership” of TLD strings, a right that I think can only be conferred on a hyper local level by the proper legal entities, certainly not ICANN, therefore, </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>4.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Shouldn’t we be careful not to try to confer preferences or “rights” at all? In fact, shouldn’t we not even try that? It seems that we do not, and probably should not have that power.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>5.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>There has been discussion that any applicant should comply with local laws in areas, cities, or territories where a string name where they would like to do work is relevant. <i>I would agree with that general principal</i> since it respects local laws, makes sense, and doesn’t try to rule the world.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>6.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Shouldn’t we <u>not</u> assume that every government entity around the world cares about what we are doing here. In fact, I am sure that most don’t care – at least as much as we do. If they did care, they would be involved. <br><br>We know that TLDs are important and we should care about and anticipate how geographic names affect cities and territories around the world. We should also care about how a country, city, or territory’s rights will affect any applicant in the future. But we should not show a preference in our policy, therefore, four suggestions:</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>A general preference for non-objection from geo-entities and curative solutions in policy over preventive solutions for potential geographic strings; not assuming preferences that more often than not, don't exist </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>A more conservative approach to our scope in terms of the places we define</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Recognizing that our contracts are time limited – We should recognize that our contracts are for a specified period, at the end of which, a government entity may have the option of becoming engaged and maybe add something to the contract that specifies this rather than an assumption of renewal for applicants. This would allow for worthwhile private investment (maybe a five or ten-year period) and allow review by any public entity after a period of time, to become involved if they then care to.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=m-7045073179382980841m-6527692980300388464m8814042535565957348gmail-msolistparagraph style='line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>d.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;line-height:115%;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>There should be no limits on how many applications may be filed on behalf of a single entity (private, corporate, or government). If we do this, here also, we limit the capital involved in the process and we limit the chances for success of applicants and of this program in general.</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Finally, thank you to all of you, on all sides, for your discussion and participation. I believe this discussion is an important one and I know the sacrifice you are making in terms of your time. I only wish I was able to contribute near as much time as all of you have. Thank you!</span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0B5394'><br clear=all></span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Joe Alagna </span><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><pre>_______________________________________________<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <span lang=DE-CH><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=DE-CH><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=DE-CH>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=DE-CH>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=DE-CH><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=DE-CH><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE-CH> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>