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I agree that the names of large cities should be protected in the
same way as capital cities are protected and I like the idea of
creating a pro-rated system for important cities in smaller
countries. I would like to get on with the specifics of this idea --
where should the cut off be, can we use the work of other
organizations (U.N.?) to set baselines, etc. We had some of those
discussions early on, but now I think we are stalled.<br>
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My question is: is there enough support in this group to move ahead
on this and how will we know?<br>
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Marita<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/20/2018 1:44 PM, Kris Seeburn
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<div class="">Sounds like a pretty good way forward. Perhaps as
you say population size should also be based on the country
applying as some are also islands and may not be having a large
population like New York, Paris and loads of others. </div>
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<div class="">On Jul 20, 2018, at 21:22, Alexander Schubert
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi group,<br
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<br class="">
during the last call and in its chat were some
serious conflations of facts. Let me explain the
fact base on the floated examples of “.bingo”,
“.paris” and I am adding “.clearwater” (“Clearwater”
being a placeholder for any “city” like “Clearwater”
in Florida which has 100k+ inhabitants, is probably
know by every single American and every single
German, might be confused with “unspoiled water” –
but Google finds obviously ONLY city related
content.)<br class="">
<br class="">
We had a new gTLD round. It was in 2012 – applicants
had to follow the rules of the application
guidelines for it. That’s our base. The rules are
quite specific and it would be nice if group members
read them at least ONCE (the chat contributions made
it painful clear that not everybody here has read
the city related new gTLD policies of the 2012 AGB).<br
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<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>BINGO:<br
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If in 2012 some brand or generic term applicant had
applied for .bingo and there would be a non-capital
city “Bingo”; that city would NOT have to be asked for
Government support if .bingo was declared as non-geo
use application! The notion that every city “Bingo”
had to be asked for permission is ridiculous and bares
any fact basis.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>.paris:<br
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Any applicant for any city or brand “PARIS” would have
been required to get the approval of the French
Capital. To my understanding if the geo-use was
intended then from all other places that qualify as
“city” as well! We might look into the formulation
“relevant Government” and “associated with the city
name”: Paris Texas has 25k people, is a city, and the
city’s name is “Texas”. To my understanding any
application that declares geo-use (even if by the
French capital) they would have had to acquire
Government support from Paris, TX as well (please
discuss, please correct me if you identify evidence to
the contrary). I do not see that the French capital
was prioritized over Paris, TX.<span
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>.clearwater:<br
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In the call somebody questioned why “The City” (some
city) had any fundamental issues if a gTLD like
“.clearwater” (which I use as a fictional example for
any small city) was applied for by e.g. a beverage
company with a brand “CLEAR WATER”.<br class="">
I am not going to speak on behalf of cites (as in
“government bodies”): maybe some GAC member could do
that! I am caring about the CONSTITUENTS in that city!
The businesses. The People! The organizations. It is
THOSE who have a potentially terrible loss: YOU ARE
SQUATTING ON THEIR NAME. It can’t be that the
marketing desire of a beverage brand tops the freedom
of expression and identity of tens or worse HUNDREDS
of thousands of citizens!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">So all in all:
Brands and generic applicants faced more or less
ZERO “resistance” in the 2012 AGB – as they could
always claim the non-geo use. What is being
discussed currently (and yes for full disclosure: I
am the initiator of that idea):<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>In
the 2012 AGB we already eliminated the non-geo use for
capitals and 3166 Alpha-2 regions!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 38.25pt; font-size:
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class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>BIG
cities are as important – and too many people and
stakeholders would suffer from city name grabbing on
top-level in the DNS<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style:
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>The
solution is to elevate at least sizeable cities to the
protection level of capital cities!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 38.25pt; font-size:
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line-height: normal; font-family: "Times
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>A
cut-off measure has to be defined – e.g. population
size<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent
Procedures PDP Work Track 5 - 11 July 2018<o:p
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Dear Work Track 5
members,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Please see below
the action items and notes from the meeting today
(11 July). <i class="">These high-level notes are
designed to help WG members navigate through the
content of the call and are not a substitute for
the recording, transcript, or the chat, which will
be posted on the wiki.</i><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">See also the
attached slides as well as the Working Document at:<span
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BRzHr2FxSTYHX1I8F3FHSt6Bo1cvJsKyWX8WZXRUXAo/edit"
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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