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<p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Dear Alexander,</p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thank you very much for the message,</p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">As usual you  have logic in your insight.</p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">May I ask some question in line of your message please</p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">are  </p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Any applicant for any city or brand “PARIS” would have been required to get the approval of the French Capital. To my understanding if the geo-use was intended then from all other places that qualify as “city” as well! We might look into the formulation “relevant Government” and “associated with the city name”: Paris Texas has 25k people, is a city, and the city’s name is “Texas”. To my understanding any application that declares geo-use (even if by the French capital) they would have had to acquire Government support from Paris, TX as well (please discuss, please correct me if you identify evidence to the contrary). I do not see that the French capital was prioritized over Paris, TX.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">      <span> </span></span></span></span><u></u>.clearwater:<br>In the call somebody questioned why “The City” (some city) had any fundamental issues if a gTLD like “.clearwater” (which I use as a fictional example for any small city) was applied for by e.g. a beverage company with a brand “CLEAR WATER”.<br>I am not going to speak on behalf of cites (as in “government bodies”): maybe some GAC member could do that! I am caring about the CONSTITUENTS in that city! The businesses. The People! The organizations. It is THOSE who have a potentially terrible loss: YOU ARE SQUATTING ON THEIR NAME. It can’t be that the marketing desire of a beverage brand tops the freedom of expression and identity of tens or worse HUNDREDS of thousands of citizens!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt">So all in all: Brands and generic applicants faced more or less ZERO “resistance” in the 2012 AGB – as they could always claim the non-geo use. What is being discussed currently (and yes for full disclosure: I am the initiator of that idea):<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 38.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">      <span> </span></span></span></span><u></u>In the 2012 AGB we already eliminated the non-geo use for capitals and 3166 Alpha-2 regions!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 38.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">      <span> </span></span></span></span><u></u>BIG cities are as important – and too many people and stakeholders would suffer from city name grabbing on top-level in the DNS<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 38.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">      <span> </span></span></span></span><u></u>The solution is to elevate at least sizeable cities to the protection level of capital cities!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-4432608511600144952MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 38.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">      <span> </span></span></span></span><u></u>A cut-off measure has to be defined – e.g. population size<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px;font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Alexander Schubert<u></u><u></u></span></p><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">

<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 12:23 AM Brian Winterfeldt <Brian@winterfeldt.law> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



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+1 in support of Paul’s statement.
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On Jul 20, 2018, at 4:02 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks Alexander.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Just to clarify the record, I didn’t suggest in the call that .bingo had to seek approvals from all those cities in the last round.  It was introduced as an example of how ridiculous
 this can get if we go down the slippery slope of expanding censorship in the top level any further than it has already been extended.  Perhaps something was lost in the translation. 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding Paris, there are dozens of places that bear that name (which originated in Greek mythology, by the way, and not in France).  I’ve copied them at the end.  Under a strict
 reading of the AGB from the last round, an applicant would have had to get a letter from the government of each of these places.  A very silly rule.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding your “Clearwater” place holder, let’s swap in Toledo instead.  Toledo, Spain has been around since about the time of Christ and currently has a population of 83,000. 
 Toledo, Ohio, has been around only since 1833 but has a population of nearly </span>
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">651,429, many times that of the little city in Spain.  This is not even to mention the over a dozen
 other places named Toledo.  Your suggestion that a GAC rep may speak for the people of such cities implies that there would be some GAC approval process, again for dozens of places, none of which has any more right to the word “Toledo” than the next place. 
 So your “Clearwater” scenario is named exactly backwards– it muddies the waters, it doesn’t clear them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">None of the above scenarios lead to simplicity or predictability, two of our core principles.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Also, thanks to Maureen who proposes “</span>(1) population (2) country – legitimacy”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Toledo is a great example of Ohio being the largest Toledo but Spain being the oldest.  So, Toledo, Ohio would “win” which means free speech would win since Toledo, Ohio is located in a jurisdiction that prevents governments from stifling
 the speech of its citizens.  But does that make Toledo, Spain any less legitimate?  The answer, in my mind, is “no” since neither place has any legitimate claim to the word “Toledo” sufficient to keep it from being written as a top level domain name. 
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<p class="MsoNormal">Folks, I think we have to stop trying to create rights for governments that they haven’t even legislated for themselves.  ICANN is not the place to introduce new legislation – the community has enough trouble on our hands just trying to
 get ICANN’s policies in alignment with actual laws.  It doesn’t do us any good to cook up compliance with non-existent laws – thus over engineering the next round and setting it up for confusion disputes, and extra costs.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Ontario" title="Paris, Ontario" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Ontario</span></a>,
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 a former community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.05in;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">United States</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#54595d">[</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paris_(disambiguation)&action=edit&section=5&editintro=Template:Disambig_editintro" title="Edit section: United States" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">edit</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#54595d">]</span><b><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Arkansas" title="Paris, Arkansas" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Arkansas</span></a>,
 a city<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Idaho" title="Paris, Idaho" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Idaho</span></a>,
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Illinois" title="Paris, Illinois" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Illinois</span></a>,
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Paris, an unincorporated community in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Charter_Township,_Michigan" title="Green Charter Township, Michigan" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Green
 Charter Township, Michigan</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Mississippi" title="Paris, Mississippi" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Mississippi</span></a>,
 an unincorporated community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Missouri" title="Paris, Missouri" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Missouri</span></a>,
 a city<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_New_Hampshire" title="Paris, New Hampshire" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris,
 New Hampshire</span></a>, an unincorporated community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_New_York" title="Paris, New York" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, New York</span></a>,
 a town<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 Portage County, Ohio</span></a>, an unincorporated community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Stark_County,_Ohio" title="Paris, Stark County, Ohio" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris,
 Stark County, Ohio</span></a>, an unincorporated community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Oregon" title="Paris, Oregon" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Oregon</span></a>,
 an unincorporated community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Pennsylvania" title="Paris, Pennsylvania" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Pennsylvania</span></a>,
 a census-designated place<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 a city<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 a city<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Virginia" title="Paris, Virginia" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Virginia</span></a>,
 an unincorporated community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Wisconsin_(disambiguation)" title="Paris, Wisconsin (disambiguation)" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris,
 Wisconsin (disambiguation)</span></a>, several Wisconsin localities<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Township_(disambiguation)" title="Paris Township (disambiguation)" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris
 Township (disambiguation)</span></a>, several US localities<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 South Dakota</span></a>, a city formerly called Paris<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loraine,_California" title="Loraine, California" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Loraine,
 California</span></a>, an unincorporated community formerly called Paris<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 Mountain State Park</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 Virginia<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Denmark" title="Paris, Denmark" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris, Denmark</span></a>,
 a hamlet in Jutland<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 in the central Pacific Ocean<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 Panama, a <i>corregimiento</i> or subdistrict<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Basin" title="Paris Basin" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0b0080;text-decoration:none">Paris Basin</span></a>, a
 geological region of France<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 Island, Antarctica<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 planet named after the legendary figure of the Trojan War<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 Santander</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kris Seeburn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 20, 2018 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Work Track 5 - 11 July 2018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was rethinking this and a way forward could be at this point taking capitals/cities into a second round. We still need to think business models as well. So at this point in time we could move Geonames to the three letter ISO and also
 country names in full as set out in ISO / UN recognition as well.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The population size could be very well thought of in a second phase of this workings. The longer we take to get to the other bits we may be stalling the whole process as well.So my take is get the first of these moving ahead. I was stating
 islands as i can take Seychelles has an overall population as a country of around 95,000 so imagine it’s capital “VICTORIA” or it’s other main Hub “MAHE”. There are also other countries or Islands we may have to think and cater for.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So my suggestion is to take into consideration the population size for sure but perhaps add a second variable which would be the country itself. Big countries in general may understand that you cannot just use or take names of capitals
 or other cities just like that without Govt approval. But the issue remains the awareness that needs to go down to ensure the required understanding. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So perhaps two variables should be (1) population (2) country - legitimacy — perhaps that may go better with GAC as well as many others.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 20, 2018, at 22:56, Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 seems a very good argument to me<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like a pretty good way forward.  Perhaps as you say population size should also be based on the country applying as some are also islands and may not be having a large population like New York, Paris and loads of others.   <u></u><u></u></p>
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during the last call and in its chat were some serious conflations of facts. Let me explain the fact base on the floated examples of “.bingo”, “.paris” and I am adding “.clearwater” (“Clearwater” being a placeholder for any “city” like “Clearwater” in Florida
 which has 100k+ inhabitants, is probably know by every single American and every single German, might be confused with “unspoiled water” – but Google finds obviously ONLY city related content.)<br>
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We had a new gTLD round. It was in 2012 – applicants had to follow the rules of the application guidelines for it. That’s our base. The rules are quite specific and it would be nice if group members read them at least ONCE (the chat contributions made it painful
 clear that not everybody here has read the city related new gTLD policies of the 2012 AGB).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">      <span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">BINGO:<br>
If in 2012 some brand or generic term applicant had applied for .bingo and there would be a non-capital city “Bingo”; that city would NOT have to be asked for Government support if .bingo was declared as non-geo use application! The notion that every city “Bingo”
 had to be asked for permission is ridiculous and bares any fact basis.<span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Any applicant for any city or brand “PARIS” would have been required to get the approval of the French Capital. To my understanding if the geo-use was intended then from all other places that qualify as “city” as well! We might look into the formulation “relevant
 Government” and “associated with the city name”: Paris Texas has 25k people, is a city, and the city’s name is “Texas”. To my understanding any application that declares geo-use (even if by the French capital) they would have had to acquire Government support
 from Paris, TX as well (please discuss, please correct me if you identify evidence to the contrary). I do not see that the French capital was prioritized over Paris, TX.<span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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In the call somebody questioned why “The City” (some city) had any fundamental issues if a gTLD like “.clearwater” (which I use as a fictional example for any small city) was applied for by e.g. a beverage company with a brand “CLEAR WATER”.<br>
I am not going to speak on behalf of cites (as in “government bodies”): maybe some GAC member could do that! I am caring about the CONSTITUENTS in that city! The businesses. The People! The organizations. It is THOSE who have a potentially terrible loss: YOU
 ARE SQUATTING ON THEIR NAME. It can’t be that the marketing desire of a beverage brand tops the freedom of expression and identity of tens or worse HUNDREDS of thousands of citizens!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So all in all: Brands and generic applicants faced more or less ZERO “resistance” in the 2012 AGB – as they could always claim the non-geo use. What is being discussed currently (and yes for
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 people and stakeholders would suffer from city name grabbing on top-level in the DNS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Julie
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_2076773021230083997m6860383061595556016apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Work Track 5 - 11 July 2018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please see below the action items and notes from the meeting today (11 July).  <i>These high-level notes are designed to help WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not
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